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Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

baggachipz wrote: post #255
idiotsecant wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm excited about what Kagi is doing: https://orionbrowser.com/ I have no illusions that they will turn into google the first chance they get, all companies do. But for now they seem pretty good.

Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Orion has matured as a browser and just hit 1.0. It's mac- and ios-only for now, but linux and windows ports are in the works. It has ad-blocking out of the box and has zero telemetry. I use it every day.

But Orion has the exact same issue that we are facing now with Chrome and Edge and Firefox. Orion is funded by Kagi, so it's a money losing venture. If Kagi folds tomorrow, who will pick the pieces and continue its' development?

Replace Orion with Chrome and Kagi with Google and you will find that we are in the same exact boat. Browsers cost money to maintain. Money has to come from somewhere. If the general public does not want to pay then who does?

Furthermore, what makes you think that Kagi will not one day do the same exact thing that Google has done with Chrome? Are you willing to bet that it won't happen?

And I am not here to bash on Kagi, I am one of their customers but I will not use Orion for the same reason I don't use Chrome.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by sunshine-o »

ecshafer wrote: post #4

It looks like they chose a Product Manager and MBA. Why can't we get a software engineer or computer scientist?

Yes and he is writing like an MBA/Product Manager (or is it the AI?)

Actually he is most likely a drone. Meaning he is speaking like he believes he is the CEO of a public company talking to the shareholders, so of course he talks about how AI is changing software.

But guess what Mozilla is not a public company, there is no stock to pump and the thing it really miss is its users. Going from 30% to less than 5% market share in 15 years with a good product. Actually I am pretty sure the users who left just do not want to much AI.

But he is an MBA drone so he is just gonna play the same music as every other MBA drone.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by nottorp »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #210
rvz wrote: post #154

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> This really feels like the beginning of the end for Mozilla, sadly. The moment Mozilla failed to stop being dependent on Google's money whilst being true to their own mission in being a 'privacy first browser' it already was the end and the damage in trust was done. In 2007, the CEO at the time said they could live without Google's money - Now, their entire survival was tied to Google funding them [0] and got rewar…

> The moment Mozilla failed to stop being dependent on Google's money whilst being true to their own mission in being a 'privacy first browser' it already was the end and the damage in trust was done. I understand your position but what is the alternative funding source that could keep a company making a free browser running? Apple funds Safari's development but it's basically a side project for them, Google funds Ch…

> donations which to be honest does not work

It would work if I knew my donations go towards the fucking browser and not towards "AI" or whatever the craze was before it.

Since they refuse to do that, I don't donate.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by neilv »

> As Mozilla moves forward, we will focus on becoming the trusted software company.

That's what I'd do.

The question is whether they really mean it.

Mozilla will have to recover from some history of disingenuous and incompetent leadership.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by shevy-java »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #313
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

The job was always very easy, fire all of the pure managers and sock the google money into an endowment before it runs out. Then focus on privacy as you mentioned. They’ve taken in several billion dollars by now. Let that sink in. They're supposedly a non-profit, so this plan is the well-trodden playbook. But of course no Manager instance could imagine such a thing. Cue Upton Sinclair quote.

Indeed - Google successfully undermined Mozilla here. It was a huge mistake to get addicted to the Google money; now it is too late to change it.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by broadsidepicnic »

miki_oomiri wrote: post #39

If I were the CEO, I would: - focus 100% on Firefox Desktop & Mobile - just a fast solid minimalist browser (no AI, no BS) - other features should be addons - privacy centric - builtin, first-class, adblocker - run on donations - partner with Kagi - layoff 80% of the non-tech employees I worked for them for many years, I guarantee you that Mozilla will be fine without all the non-sense people, just put engineers in c…

Good, agreed. Let's just hope Anthony will read this.

Also, speaking of trust, return the "never sell your data" to the FAQ.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by shevy-java »

pseudalopex wrote: post #361
zug_zug wrote: post #354

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So if you have a billion in the bank, you can collect 5% return and never touch the money. So you get $50m a year to pay enough engineers to make a browser. That's plenty of money if they recognize they need a super lean company with 0 bloat and a few highly paid experts who focus on correctness and not bullshit features.

How many engineers are enough to make a browser? How do you know? Vivaldi employ 28 developers and 33 others to make an unstable Chromium fork and email program.[1] Bloat and bullshit features to you are minimum requirements to someone else. [1] https://vivaldi.com/team/

Ladybird had fewer devs, so what were these devs at Vivaldi doing?

I don't think your argument has a lot of merit. 28 is not a magic number.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by sunshine-o »

neom wrote: post #26
abcd_f wrote: post #11

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They had one. Until he made a fatal mistake of giving a tenner to the wrong people.

He gave $1000 donation to support a ban on gay marriage, to be clear.

Brendan Eich is a rich nerd who probably got cornered in a party by someone smart and signed $1000 check.

It is like blaming me for giving $10 to an bump without checking what he was gonna do with it.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by uzerfcwn »

padenot wrote: post #182
eviks wrote: post #138

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> They also have useful keyboard behaviour Like not being able to change the default shortcuts?

We're implementing it though: about:keyboard in a Nightly build does what you expect, this is tracked in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2000731 and dependencies.

Thanks for sharing this! Went and changed some keybinds right away.
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