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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ghaff »

re-thc wrote: post #504
NetMageSCW wrote: post #471

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That potentially is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting for fifty to one hundred years.

> for fifty to one hundred years Ballmer in 2007 also said the iPhone was not going to get any significant market share. It didn't even take close to fifty years, did it?

No conflict of interest there.

It did take a few years after 2007 before it became obvious to pretty much everyone that the iPhone was going to be a huge hit but took a little while before some oddities in the original software were corrected and people adjusted to not having a physical keyboard which some thought was going to be a dealbreaker out of the gate.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

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I really miss all the short trucks. For a long time I had a F150 supercab (made in the 90's) and while it was a great truck it was just excessive for 99% of what I used the vehicle for. That includes the vast majority of times I used it to haul and tow! I always envied my friend's smaller truck. Over a decade I think my truck was the better vehicle in only a handful of situations. (Far better to rent one for the day…

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Post by unixhero »

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That’s pretty cool, and I just checked the prices and it only starts at 11k dearer than the standard f150, which is less than I expected. Interesting. What’s more insane to me as an Australian is its 50k USD starting price in America, but in Australia it starts at $149k USD as they’re only sold by third parties that do right hand drive conversions (at imo a way too high premium, 100k for that service + shipping???)

That's insane. Why would an Aussie buy this over a BYD Shark for US$40k? https://bydautomotive.com.au/shark-6

Nah.

Go with the Sharkie mate

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Post by foobazgt »

sroerick wrote: post #167
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> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive So are RAM trucks and I don't think they're hurting for customers. I think there are two fundamental issues. One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US - i.e., if you're progressive, you're supposed to hate them and see them as the symbol of the gun-totting macho redneck culture, and if you're conservative, yo…

I live in Truck Country, Wyoming If you need a truck for work, you're probably going to be towing in it. Now, some of those guys who are hauling are gonna need a 250 or a 350, but a lot of them will do just fine with the 150. Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a l…

> I like Teslas a lot, but gave you ever been on a road trip in one? It's pretty brutal.

Maybe 50 road trips? Usually hundreds of miles, with the longest at 1000mi. Literally the easiest road trips I've done in my life.

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Post by bluGill »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #481
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Present day EVs don't take that long to charge (basically the time to go to the bathroom and check email), but they don't have enough parallelism so at a busy location you can end up waiting for an open charger. There are orders of magnitude more gas pumps than public chargers.

That’s an unfair comparison because you can’t count gas pumps used to charge in your locality - those are replaced by charging at bome.

when you need a charger there is rarely any choice of location. Charging at home doesn't help when you are not home. Those rare public chargers is what you need and they can be hard to find.

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Post by bpt3 »

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It's believed by whom? I think AOL Time Warner still has the record at over $50 billion, unless you're talking about some specific form of impairment.

CNBC

I'd be interested to see the article if you have it, but thanks for the reply.

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Post by mattmaroon »

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The Silverado EV does have a big battery, but for actual real world use you’re keeping it within a band of about 60% (20-80) so 400 is really 240 with an emergency reserve. (This is common to all EVs). You lose about half your range towing so you’re still going to drive two hours, stop for 30-45 minutes, repeat. So it’s still far from compelling for anyone towing or doing truck stuff.

If you are planning a trip and know you are, your first left is easily 20-100% or 80% range, and then it depends on charging speed versus stop purpose.

Sure, I was talking more about daily work usage. (I have an EV and a diesel truck.)

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Post by bluGill »

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This is exactly the situation. ICE also has a massive range hit as well, it's just easy to put a massive fuel tank in to get a stupid amount of range not towing compared to a battery electric that struggles to get a similar range. When you start with almost 600mi losing half isn't too bad, when it's maybe 300mi on a good day and you cut it in half is just not as usable for that usage. That said, if it's not the towin…

Additionally, all ICE cars can charge from 0-100% in under 5 minutes. Even if their towing range was somehow less than an EV, it would matter less because you don't have to spend an hour at a charging station.

Towing is much more likely to imply long road trips. Not always but a lot of towing is getting to something farther away.

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Post by DoctorOW »

unethical_ban wrote: post #513
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Electric trucks make perfect sense and are ideal for what most F-150s are actually used for. The problem is that the F-150 is a fashion accessory for low IQ types that cosplay as rancher/cowboy/whatever. They're buying the appearance of being tough. They're insecure. The electric F-150 doesn't make them feel better about their pathetic lives.

You can say they're victims of marketing but your vitriol goes too far. I wonder if you would say the same about any other consumerist excess: a bigger house, a nicer watch, a faster car.

"Marketing" is the exact point parent is making though. A "built Ford tough" F-150 doesn't allege to be a faster car, it is targeted at the specific demographic. It would appear you're using "vitriol" to mean "bluntness".

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Post by bombcar »

black_puppydog wrote: post #572
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

Dear god, what about this monstrosity is supposed to be "small"?! Seriously, people should take a look at how professionals around tye world are managing just fine with anything from a cargo bike via VW caddy to sprinters....

I think a Sprinter is going to be larger than most pickups.
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