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Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by darkstar_16 »

no_wizard wrote: post #58
pedrozieg wrote: post #12

A decade of “personal cloud box” attempts has shown that the hard part isn’t the hardware, it’s the long-term social contract. Synology/WD/My Cloud/etc all eventually hit the same wall: once the company pivots or dies, you’re left with a sealed brick that you don’t fully control, holding the most irreplaceable thing you own: your data. If you’re going to charge an Apple-like premium on commodity mini-PC hardware, you…

Don't forget the user experience needs to be seamless. We bubble ourselves to this as tech fluent folks on HN, but the seamless quality needs to be on par or better with Google Drive, iCloud drive, Google / iCloud Photos etc. Ability to share, good default security, and seamless integration with the things people care about. If this device can't automatically backup a phone wirelessly and without my interaction, it w…

Even as a techie, I prefer and use iCloud for exactly this reason, especially for stuff I share with family. I don't want me to be the bottleneck for what is considered basic functionality these days.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by esskay »

Why would anyone want this? It's got a fairly tiny drive size for this day and age, not to mention it appears to just be a generic aliexpress N150 box thats been branded and had their software pre-installed.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by wkat4242 »

Hmmm this doesn't look bad at all. The linked page doesn't make it too clear but apparently you can install it yourself for free, you don't have to buy their hardware.

It's not something I'd go for to be honest. I need to have full tinker access :) Most of my servers now have a bunch of custom docker scripts. But it looks good I have to say.

I think I'll roll this out in a VM on my homelab just to play with it and get some ideas.

PS: One thing that's notably missing in their app store is headscale, the only have the official Tailscale service client.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

#105

Post by dJLcnYfsE3 »

bigiain wrote: post #62

"run a Bitcoin node"

Eh. If it was released in early days of crypto and was dedicated only for that task and quite cheap - I don't think it would be anything wrong with it. Think of hosting a TOR relay or some kind of WiFi/Mesh network . So it is just 10 years late, no one believes anymore that cryptocurrency will be a real decentralized payment method. The only community left is "the line goes up" people.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by zikduruqe »

doubled112 wrote: post #41
stronglikedan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems a lot easier for the average consumer.

Does it? Half of the IT team I am on is seemingly incapable of understanding using a public/private keypair for SSH logins. Can I use yours? How to copy them? Should they be unique per user? Should I email the private key? Etc?

> Ect?

My favorite is when someone posts their private key to a Slack or Teams channel, then says "I'll just delete it after it is received..."

No. Just no. That key is forever unclean.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by dJLcnYfsE3 »

agentifysh wrote: post #67
nacs wrote: post #6

Looks like they're selling an N150 based "Mini PC" for $500. You can get a very similar 16GB RAM, 1TB storage Minipc in the same form factor from Amazon for around $260 so looks like you're paying almost twice the price for the NAS-type software?

any recommendations for non-Chinese products ?

Maybe Minisforum? But reviews differ from product to product, they are not consistent. Mac minis are also somewhat popular for home servers.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by Almondsetat »

pedrozieg wrote: post #12

A decade of “personal cloud box” attempts has shown that the hard part isn’t the hardware, it’s the long-term social contract. Synology/WD/My Cloud/etc all eventually hit the same wall: once the company pivots or dies, you’re left with a sealed brick that you don’t fully control, holding the most irreplaceable thing you own: your data. If you’re going to charge an Apple-like premium on commodity mini-PC hardware, you…

I think the problem is IPS-provided routers being locked down. Alternatively, IPv6 availability and support. Alternatively, static residential IPv4 availability. Alternatively, dynamic dns services which always require a subscription to use your own domains.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by yoan9224 »

The self-hosted is interesting but the real challenge is the long-term commitment. What happens when: - The hardware fails - The company pivots or shuts down - You need to restore from backup

I'd love to see more focus on data portability and guaranteed migration paths. If the OS is truly open, that helps, but the "appliance" model makes people nervous about vendor lock-in even when self-hosting.

Re: Umbrel – Personal Cloud

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Post by SansGuidon »

cess11 wrote: post #99
reachableceo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run umbrel in a VM . For non fiat finops stuff. I also run Cloudron on a VPS. I wish both of those solutions had more mindshare. They save me so much time and effort. Especially Cloudron!

I looked at Cloudron and I'm not sure why I would choose this over just throwing in Proxmox on a box and start clicking stuff in their 'app store'.

Proxmox = infra. You run ops. Cloudron = platform. Ops is mostly done. Clicking apps is easy. Maintaining them isn’t.
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