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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by 0_____0 »

godelski wrote: post #272
rsync wrote: post #233

We don't want your electric car ... we want your car, but electric . We want an electric F150 or an electric Suburban or v90 wagon or whatever. But instead we get e-initiative i-mobiles. We get TRON-cars. We get iModels. There is a reason for this: The incumbent auto makers understand fully that the ICE version of whatever model they electrify will suffer enormously. They believe that they can somehow retain all of t…

I really miss all the short trucks. For a long time I had a F150 supercab (made in the 90's) and while it was a great truck it was just excessive for 99% of what I used the vehicle for. That includes the vast majority of times I used it to haul and tow! I always envied my friend's smaller truck. Over a decade I think my truck was the better vehicle in only a handful of situations. (Far better to rent one for the day…

Retro reflective material will do the trick. Try a retroreflective hi-viz vest on the headrest.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by hypercube33 »

ecshafer wrote: post #189
sh34r wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, what do we expect from this brainless company that promised a $20k Maverick and let the stealerships mark it up to over $40k?

Ford announced the Maverick, it got so much excitement that it sold out and dealerships sold for over MSRP. So in their infinite wisdom they... didn't make more mid range trucks. Ill never understand these guys.

I was interested in this truck when it came out. My in laws purchased one and queued a second one up to have two reliable (new is reliable to them) in their retirement years. The price was good, its a smaller compact truck and very good on utility. The second generation of them - the price went up, and some of the value in what the truck was vanished. Its also years behind on production. Ford doesn't seem to want to sell these.

If Chevy came out with a competitive S10 Electric style truck, I'd consider it as well.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by class3shock »

oconnore wrote: post #31
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now I'm sitting here wondering when we'll get another small Ford truck again. This same exact story played out with the Ranger... It's so bizarre to me because the Ranger used to be small. But then they became the size that an F-150 used to be (i.e. sane truck size), while the F-150 became enormous . Supposedly it's due to perverse incentives from regulation, so I wouldn't hold my breath for a smaller truck if that…

I'm not sure which dimensions you're talking about, but in terms of bed size the F-150 has been very consistent over the years (although I think Crew Cabs — although they always existed — have become more popular). The Ranger still cannot fit a full sized sheet of plywood flat in the bed. Quick research: the new Ranger's bed size has only increased 0.9" (width) relative to the 1990 version. Bed length seems to be the…

You are looking at the wrong thing, look at overall vehicle dimensions.

1995 Ford Ranger Extended Cab - 3200+ lbs - 198" long - 69" wide - 6' bed

2023 Ford Ranger Super Cab (last year they had a 2 door) - 4100+ lbs - 210" length - 73" width - 6' bed

1000 lbs heavier, a foot longer, a few extra inches wide, with the same size bed.

https://www.edmunds.com/ford/ranger/2023/supercab/features-s... https://www.edmunds.com/ford/ranger/1995/extended-cab/st-754...

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by rootusrootus »

galkk wrote: post #76

I think that trucks are in worst position for moving to EV. Customer base is quite conservative in how the truck should look like. For example,F150 lightning had to look like F150. While a look of truck (and even ordinary car) is defined by the function - need to have beefy, but somewhat serviceable/accessible engine in the front. There is no need for this in the ev truck like at all. It's all dead space now. I suspe…

> It's all dead space now.

Yeah, it's one of my favorite spaces in the whole truck. A great big trunk protected from the elements and not part of my passenger compartment. I hope we always have that feature.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by rootusrootus »

happyopossum wrote: post #111

So they’re not killing the lightning, they’re adding a range extender? I guess that’s not gonna get as many clicks, but it hardly seems controversial given market reception of the current lighting (basically everyone who wanted one bought one and then sales tanked).

Yes, they're killing the Lightning. They are replacing it with a new Lightning EREV, there will not be a BEV version. It's not just a new option they are bringing to the existing truck.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by smackeyacky »

adrr wrote: post #254
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

They should be cheaper than the F150 but Ford can’t figure out how to make batteries cheaply. Evs are a lot less complex, no gas engine, no transmission, no exhaust systems with hundreds of dollars of precious metal in them. It should be cheaper than a gas equivalent.

Cheaper? Not sure how. While an ICE engine does have cooling systems and fuelling systems, water pumps and fuel pumps are relatively cheap and simple devices.

An EV generally has a battery cooling system along with regenerative braking.

EVs have roughly the same mechanical things as an ICE vehicle too, HVAC, suspension, brakes, in car entertainment, heated seats. Lighting. An entire 12v subsystem to power all that stuff as well.

A good old ICE car will be cheaper to make than an EV because the powertrain is cheaper when you account for batteries. Even taking into account the gearbox you don’t need in an EV.

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Post by deckar01 »

rsync wrote: post #233

We don't want your electric car ... we want your car, but electric . We want an electric F150 or an electric Suburban or v90 wagon or whatever. But instead we get e-initiative i-mobiles. We get TRON-cars. We get iModels. There is a reason for this: The incumbent auto makers understand fully that the ICE version of whatever model they electrify will suffer enormously. They believe that they can somehow retain all of t…

I preordered a lightning and they never offered to sell me one for under $80k…

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by rootusrootus »

hnburnsy wrote: post #38

>Ford expects to record about $19.5 billion in special items with the majority in the fourth quarter. It is believed that this is the largest impairment ever from a company.

It's such an absurd number that I strongly suspect Ford is taking this opportunity to play some accounting games.

If it is a real number, then I am darkly amused at how much money they could lose and still only make three EVs.

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Post by rootusrootus »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #47
oconnore wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure which dimensions you're talking about, but in terms of bed size the F-150 has been very consistent over the years (although I think Crew Cabs — although they always existed — have become more popular). The Ranger still cannot fit a full sized sheet of plywood flat in the bed. Quick research: the new Ranger's bed size has only increased 0.9" (width) relative to the 1990 version. Bed length seems to be the…

The standard size f150 bed can't fit a standard 4'x8' sheet of plywood

It never could. An 8 foot bed has always been optional.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by al_borland »

adrr wrote: post #254
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

They should be cheaper than the F150 but Ford can’t figure out how to make batteries cheaply. Evs are a lot less complex, no gas engine, no transmission, no exhaust systems with hundreds of dollars of precious metal in them. It should be cheaper than a gas equivalent.

This isn’t a Ford problem, it’s a problem for the whole industry. EVs won’t get cheaper until battery tech evolves.
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