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Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

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Curiously PG posting this gets 50 karma and counting, someone else posted a similar thing earlier in the week and got flagged dead. I don't want to see this topic regularly but maybe the guidelines could be made more prominent for new users?

Good idea. I should add some kind of welcome page.

I just added one (http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html). For the first day, new users get a link to it in the top bar and just above the "submit" button on the comment form.

Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

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post #40

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Leo Laporte also mentioned this site on TWiT I believe. I was already a member, but perhaps this drove some people this way.

http://twitter.com/LeoLaporte/status/1164672251

Don't these guys know how to keep a good secret?

Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

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post #17

That principle doesn't work online. In general you can say stuff to people in person that's insulting and abusive, and then just give a wry smile and everybody laughs. You can't do that online. The guideline has it exactly wrong. The problem is that what you say online about someone is frozen forever, and takes on more significance than either the sender or the receiver actually meant. In person, I call you an asshol…

It works in as much as we have the chance to reply and amend our comments if they are taken differently than intended. The same problems exist for phone calls and email as well but it doesn't stop people from figuring out ways to communicate wry or witty comments, it just changes the conventions that are used.

Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

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post #7

As a reddit convert myself, I'm terrified to post here. I hear that Paul Graham himself sometimes singles out dumb commenters and publicly ridicules them. ;-) Best to keep a low profile.

Ha! That happened to me early on once. It's okay, it doesn't ruin your HN citizen status as long as you don't keep saying silly things. (I was involved in a massive flamewar and utterly deserved repudiation.)

Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

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http://twitter.com/LeoLaporte/status/1164672251

Don't these guys know how to keep a good secret?

'tis the message of the medium, nothing on the internet is secret to anyone on the internet.

Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

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Wouldn't we then be saying that no comment is worth more than 10 points under any circumstances? I am not sure that is the proper behavior either. In this scenario a well thought out 3 paragraph critique would be limited to the same number of points as a two word quip.

Well the obvious next step is a logarithmic scale for comment values.

I'd prefer weighting the karma by comment length until it reaches at least three lines, combined with a markov chain that recognizes vocabulary like that in the linked article and common among insightful posts.

Re: New users: Welcome. Please read the site guidelines.

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post #97
post #37

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Good idea. I should add some kind of welcome page.

How about "Don't say anything you wouldn't say to someone's face" next to the submit button for the comment box? It could be a link to the full guidelines page maybe. Even for older users it could be good to have a little reminder to not be an arsehole (I could certainly use that sort of reminder on occasion).

Didn't someone write some kind of code to detect when a given text might be a flame? Not sure what it was based on. It'd be cool if the site said "your message looks kind of flame-y. Are you sure you want to post it?"
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