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In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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Tires and brakes. With EV's this gets relatively worse because they are heavier.

But the tires are individually controlled - less slippage - and the brakes are regenerative. As a bonus, NYC is pretty much best-case scenario for the latter.

While this is generally true, tire wear is known to be generally faster on EVs due to their weight and instantaneous torque when accelerating.

Which, as an EV owner, feels like an "oh no, my steak is too buttery" kind of problem to have.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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> Particulates issued from tailpipes can aggravate asthma and heart disease and increase the risk of lung cancer and heart attack. Globally, they are a leading risk factor for premature death. Minor nitpick, but tailpipes aren't the primary source of emissions. The study is about PM2.5[0]. which will chiefly be tires and brake pads. Modern gasoline engines are relatively clean, outside of CO2, though diesel engines s…

How do EVs fare in this regard? Brakes are used significantly less, but the additional weight from the batteries chews through tires faster.

Tire wear on EVs has more to do with the weight of your right foot than the curb weight of the vehicle.

The high torque of EVs results in frequent wheel slippage for those eager to pull away from traffic lights quickly. Just like with high BHP ICE vehincles, smooth and gentle acceleration/deceleration will result in long tire life.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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Concern trolling.

Whats concern trolling?

This mechanism allows people with more money to enjoy driving in the city or is this congestion prcing based on your salary? no its not its based on the time in the city independent of what you make.

A person with their high end car and miillions now can buy himself a nice little drive into the city while everyone else can't.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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EVs are heavier than equivalent-sized ICE vehicles, but they do enjoy regenerative braking. The answer is to make smaller-sized cars but the auto industry has been pushing the farmer cosplay for decades because the profit margins are a lot higher on a $75k truck or SUV than $30k sedan.

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Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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But the tires are individually controlled - less slippage - and the brakes are regenerative. As a bonus, NYC is pretty much best-case scenario for the latter.

While this is generally true, tire wear is known to be generally faster on EVs due to their weight and instantaneous torque when accelerating. Which, as an EV owner, feels like an "oh no, my steak is too buttery" kind of problem to have.

The instant torque also comes with better control over it, though. I don't doubt it's a thing, but I do doubt it outweighs all the other environmental benefits.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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And yes let’s think of the poor people who have no choice but to drive into Midtown and downtown for work. Have you ever talked to poor people in NYC?

"poor" is relative. Ever thought about this?

Should i said poorer people who still need a car to drive in NYC to make it more understandable to the hn crowed Oo?!

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tires and brakes. With EV's this gets relatively worse because they are heavier.

But the tires are individually controlled - less slippage - and the brakes are regenerative. As a bonus, NYC is pretty much best-case scenario for the latter.

> But the tires are individually controlled - less slippage

Not relevant for normal driving. The tires aren’t spinning appreciably due to acceleration except in brief moments with aggressive driving.

EVs can actually have higher acceleration related tire wear because they weigh more and have more instant torque on demand.

A lot of consumer EVs have filtered throttle pedal inputs to reduce the torque spikes though.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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You are assuming a car is required.

The whole issue with car dependency is that it is a massive barrier for participating in society.

Public transit is orders of magnitude cheaper, and very viable and often the better option in the New York area.

Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

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How do EVs fare in this regard? Brakes are used significantly less, but the additional weight from the batteries chews through tires faster.

Why does everyone immediately pivot to EVs on this subject, instead of (looks around) gargantuan SUVs and trucks everywhere, due to peculiarities of US policies regulating SUVs more leniently than cars on fuel efficiency?

Because when you're talking about particulates in the air, one of the main local environmental harms from cars, EVs aren't the 100% clean people expect them to be.
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