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In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
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Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure, and I assume it will vary a lot by speed. EVs do also have higher torque, so that may increase tire-based particles, but you're right that it avoids the brake pads for the most part. Fewer cars in general is the win from congestion pricing, though.
>Fewer cars in general is the win from congestion pricing, though. And lower VMTs (vehicle miles traveled) is also a win for the planet, it's probably the best weapon the average person has access to in the fight against climate change. Transit usage begets transit usage; more fares paid to the agency enables better frequencies and more routes, leading to more people opting to take transit instead of driving... In a…
If we're speaking about individual actions, isn't avoiding air travel more effective than any other form of individual vehicle travel choice?
Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is that true for slower moving vehicles? I can't imagine there's a lot of brake dust generated by stopping & starting in the 0-10 mph range.
Tires and brakes. With EV's this gets relatively worse because they are heavier.
But the tires are individually controlled - less slippage - and the brakes are regenerative. As a bonus, NYC is pretty much best-case scenario for the latter.
Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is that true for slower moving vehicles? I can't imagine there's a lot of brake dust generated by stopping & starting in the 0-10 mph range.
Tires and brakes. With EV's this gets relatively worse because they are heavier.
Minus brakes on EVs. They usually do not use their break pads.
Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
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NYC has 8M people and 2M cars. Manhattan has like a 22% car ownership rate, and it's… not the poor people. https://www.hunterurban.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Car-L...
A parking spot will cost you more than rent in some other cities.
Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pigouvian*, this is a regressive tax though that is probably unnecessary as the other studies referenced or linked in this thread show.
is it? i dont see the relevant other studies, and my initial assumptions would be that the median subway user is lower income than the median car driver in NYC, so transfering funds from car drivers to subway improvements would be progressive. However NYC's transit is notoriously bad at spending, so not sure it would achive that. Which studies linked in this thread are you refering to? I cant see them.
Regular driving in large working cities is usually only done out of professional necesscity and people who drive for a living tend to be in lower socioeconomic bands.
How many people on Wallstreet do you know that drive to work?
Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
#87It may have dropped pollution in Manhattan but I guess more pollution added up to the surrounding borroughs in addition to more traffic.
> but I guess more pollution added up to the surrounding borroughs in addition to more traffic
Why? Fewer cars into Manhattan means fewer cars through the boroughs. And even if they all diverted, you’re still looking at less idling and less stop and start braking.
Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
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Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
#89> Particulates issued from tailpipes can aggravate asthma and heart disease and increase the risk of lung cancer and heart attack. Globally, they are a leading risk factor for premature death. Minor nitpick, but tailpipes aren't the primary source of emissions. The study is about PM2.5[0]. which will chiefly be tires and brake pads. Modern gasoline engines are relatively clean, outside of CO2, though diesel engines s…
co2, co, NO.
Nothing i would breath in a garage. Nothing i like to breath in while i'm driving.
Re: In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution
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> curious why no one is discussing this but this is basically a middle finger for poor people
Because the poor don’t drive in New York, and to the extent they do, they likely qualify for an exemption.