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Management doesn't like when things like this are automated. They want to "manage" the outage/production/etc numbers before letting them out.
100% — will never be automated :)
Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
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Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
#352Suggestion for Cloudflare: Create an early adopter option for free accounts. Benefit: Earliest uptake of new features and security patches. Drawback: Higher risk of outages. I think this should be possible since they already differentiate between free, pro and enterprise accounts. I do not know how the routing for that works but I bet they could do this. Think crowd-sourced beta testers. Also a perk for anything PCI…
An other suggestion is to do it along night shift in every country, right now they only take into account EEUU night.
Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
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> They really need to figure out a way to correlate global configuration changes to the errors they trigger as fast as possible. This is what jumped out at me as the biggest problem. A wild west deployment process is a valid (but questionable) business decision, but if you do that then you need smart people in place to troubleshoot and make quick rollback decisions. Their timeline: > 08:47: Configuration change deplo…
> 2 minutes for their automated alerts to fire is terrible I take exception to that, to be honest. It's not desirable or ideal, but calling it "terrible" is a bit ... well, sorry to use the word ... entitled. For context, I have experience running a betting exchange. A system where it's common for a notable fraction of transactions in a medium-volume event to take place within a window of less than 30 seconds. Vast m…
Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
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Artifical limits because they are on the free plan?
Artifical limits, because they have 40 paid licenses that they can not use, because of a non-disclosed assignment limit that is NOT mentioned in the pricing page nor in the ToS. A lot of people are angry about this, and I think it's borderline illegal: https://devforum.zoom.us/t/you-have-exceeded-the-limit-of-li... You pay for something, and you can't use it.
But we’re moving away as it’s only going to get worse.
Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
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What "hundreds of billions of dollars"? Cloudflare's annual revenue is around $2 billion, and they are not yet profitable.
That was admittedly hyperbole, but since we're talking about a company with assets and revenue in the billions I'm not sure it matters. The fact remains that a lack of money/resources is not their problem.
Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
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This is the case with just about every status page I’ve ever seen. It takes them a while to realize there’s really a problem and then to update the page. One day these things will be automated, but until then, I wouldn’t expect more of Cloudflare than any other provider. What’s more concerning to me is that now we’ve had AWS, Azure, and CloudFlare (and CliudFlare twice) go down recently. My gut says: 1. developers an…
Management doesn't like when things like this are automated. They want to "manage" the outage/production/etc numbers before letting them out.
Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
Artifical limits, because they have 40 paid licenses that they can not use, because of a non-disclosed assignment limit that is NOT mentioned in the pricing page nor in the ToS. A lot of people are angry about this, and I think it's borderline illegal: https://devforum.zoom.us/t/you-have-exceeded-the-limit-of-li... You pay for something, and you can't use it.
This is why we never changed the licenses, we just made long-running identical ID meetings that everyone can join. But we’re moving away as it’s only going to get worse.
What I don't like, is that whenever you contact Zoom, their representatives are taught to say one thing: buy more licenses.
Not only that, but their API/pricing is specifically designed to cover edge-cases that will force you to buy a license.
For example, they don't expose an API to assign a co-host. You can do that via the UI, manually, but not via the API.
Can you share which solution are you moving to?
Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
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You call it extortion of the AI companies, but isn’t stealing/crawling/hammering a site to scrape their content to resell just as nefarious? I would say Cloudflare is giving these site owners an option to protect their content and as a byproduct, reduce their own costs of subsidizing their thieves. They can choose to turn off the crawl protection. If they aren't, that tells you that they want it, doesn’t it?
>You call it extortion of the AI companies, but isn’t stealing/crawling/hammering a site to scrape their content to resell just as nefarious? You can easily block ChatGPT and most other AI scrapers if you want: https://habeasdata.neocities.org/ai-bots
Re: Cloudflare outage on December 5, 2025
#360I noticed this outage last night (Cloudflare 500s on a few unrelated websites). As usual, when I went to Cloudflare's status page, nothing about the outage was present; the only thing there was a notice about the pre-planned maintenance work they were doing for the security issue, reporting that everything was being routed around it successfully.
This is the case with just about every status page I’ve ever seen. It takes them a while to realize there’s really a problem and then to update the page. One day these things will be automated, but until then, I wouldn’t expect more of Cloudflare than any other provider. What’s more concerning to me is that now we’ve had AWS, Azure, and CloudFlare (and CliudFlare twice) go down recently. My gut says: 1. developers an…
Not really, they're just lying. I mean yes of course they aren't oracles who discover complex problems in instant of the first failure, but naw they know when well there are problems and significantly underreport them to the extent they are are less "smoke alarms" and more "your house has burned down and the ashes are still smoldering" alarms. Incidents are intentionally underreported. It's bad enough that there ought to be legislation and civil penalties for the large providers who fail to report known issues promptly.