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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by Paianni »

m4rtink wrote: post #98
Paianni wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

afaik the tablet was in development hell for much of 2015, by the time it was ready it was no longer profitable and Jolla couldn't afford to buy more than about 600 units without going bust.

IIRC they were negotiating a startup funding round that failed, so they ended unexpectedly up not having enough money to run the company let alone pay for the tablet manufacturing. Even remember hearing about the manufacturers selling the units with Android by the time they secured at least some funding for the company, so there was really nothing to salvage. Or it might have just been their excuse back then - if you…

I know that the specification changed multiple times prior to launch (mostly screen related I think).

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by dman »

aapoalas wrote: post #99
dman wrote: post #63

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Jolla never shipped me a tablet or offered me a refund back when they were making tablets. I would strongly urge people not to pre-order from the company since they have a track record of not shipping and being extremely irresponsible in their communications when they dont ship.

Hmm, I at least received a refund on the tablet; I think half of it was paid out and half of it I opted to use as payment for Sailfish X. An email I have stored from July 4th 2017 mentions "the tablet refund tool", so there seems to have been a concrete system for this refunding process as well. I abstractly remember something like that, though I must say my memory is shoddy and should not be trusted.

This is the last response I have from them in my inbox (Sep 24, 2015, 8:56 AM). Never heard back from them after this inspite of repeated subsequent queries

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Hi,

thank you for your message.

We are sending the invites out to contributors in groups according to the chronological order of contributions. Please also note that we are slowly ramping up the deliveries, starting with a smaller group to ensure that everything works as it should, but anticipate future groups to be bigger in size. This means that we are currently unable to estimate your exact order number in the queue.

To read all the latest on the Tablet campaign, please stay tuned to the Jolla Blog. For some commonly asked questions and answers, please see our Jolla Tablet Campaign FAQs.

Thank you again for your contribution!

Sincerely, Jolla Customer Care

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Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by everdrive »

Android and iOS need to be shaken up so badly that I welcome more or less anything into this space, no matter how flawed. That said, I think the chances I buy one of these is very low. At the moment, I keep a smart phone solely so that finding work is not difficult. You need quite the personal network to explain that "I don't have a smart phone."

Otherwise, I'm trying to abstain from smart phone usage as much as possible: the market is probably _never_ going to solve one which solves addiction problem. (the best solution for this is to have a desktop computer which you only sit at for specific tasks)

On the other hand, if I could run my company's OTP and it were much more private than iOS or Android I would probably jump ship.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by nebula8804 »

nikanj wrote: post #88
mhitza wrote: post #18

47% percent of voters wanted a ~6" phone, and 12% of voters a ~7" phone. I guess me and the remaining 41% of voters are still left wishing for 5" phones to make a comeback.

Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

Yeah...like Apple: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

As someone holding onto their iPhone mini 13 for dear life, I hope they will release a one off in a few years once support for the 13 mini ends.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by stiray »

mariusor wrote: post #104
stiray wrote: post #82

I wouldnt recommend it. TLDR: while the OS is great (really GREAT), the real-world compatibility is not. I had Sailfish OS for a daily driver for two years, and OS is great (let me say that again, Sailfish IS GREAT!), but there are "the details". Jolla is completely ignorant to needs of their users. While they do have an android layer, they are ignoring to things that are of huge importance for daily life, like bluet…

For a company of their size that has to compete in the tech market of today, I'm surprised they're able to produce updates for the OS as regular as they do. Blaming they can't keep up with user requests, granted reasonable ones, is a little short sighted in my opinion. If we want to break the Apple/Google duopoly we need to be able to bear a couple of paper cuts. If you wait for perfection before committing they'll j…

This is nonsense. They cant force vendors to support them, so the only viable strategy is to support the vendors. And they can, but they decided not to.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by mpol »

cbolton wrote: post #128
mpol wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was mainly the investors that didn't want to move. Many things were stagnant that needed moving. Now that the investors are gone there is a chance to move things, and slowly things are moving into open sourcing their software.

That's nice, thanks for mentioning it. Is there anywhere we can read about this?

The Open Sourcing? There is more about it on the forum for Sailfish with phase 1, the weather app, notes app and a few other bits:

https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468...

Then there is community news category with updates, but it's a bit haphazard and ongoing in this context:

https://forum.sailfishos.org/c/community-news/25

The Camera app, Gallery app, Nexcloud accounts and other accounts components are open sourced and on github. There is now talk about Silica, the Wayland compositor. It hasn't been updated well in recent years and there is talk about moving it to Weston or Wlroots, while also supporting xdg-shell for GTK applications.

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by nebula8804 »

maelito wrote: post #123
hxtk wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhone had the 12 and 13 mini, but they didn't sell, so there was no iPhone 14 mini and hasn't been one since. That was a 5.4" display.

> but they didn't sell What do you call "didn't sell" ? In numbers.

How about 3% of sales: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-unpopula...

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by fph »

ramon156 wrote: post #62

> A successor to the iconic original Jolla Phone from 2013 does anyone own this 2013 version? why did it not crash the market? Also, will my banking app be supported on sailfishOS?

Same reason why Linux is not crashing the desktop market?

(I have a Jolla 1 and a Jolla C sitting in a drawer, now I fully switched to Graphene OS.)

Re: Jolla Phone Pre-Order

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Post by stiray »

m4rtink wrote: post #106
stiray wrote: post #82

I wouldnt recommend it. TLDR: while the OS is great (really GREAT), the real-world compatibility is not. I had Sailfish OS for a daily driver for two years, and OS is great (let me say that again, Sailfish IS GREAT!), but there are "the details". Jolla is completely ignorant to needs of their users. While they do have an android layer, they are ignoring to things that are of huge importance for daily life, like bluet…

I would not sey they are ignorant - rather, some things are unfortunately just not possible with their staffing and budget. Connecting Android bluetooth blobs compiled against bionic libc via glibc Linux distro to a container running Android emulation is one of these things.

Support for vital features needed for normal life is a must. And all available resources should be put into it as it is making their OS viable for usage. No android application support, no users.

I have struggled for 2 years. Most users wont.

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