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Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by qingcharles »

hnburnsy wrote: post #27

If you love cars or Top Gear, watch Mat Armstrong on YouTube. Mat restores crash damaged cars. The BS he has to go through because car manufacturers either won't sell him parts, won't sell him repair manuals, and unnecessarily cryptographically lock parts to the VIN is sometime heartbreaking. He has run across this pyro fuse issue many times. Sometimes he has even has to buy two cars just to repair one because of thi…

100%. I watch him literally just to see how much bullshit he has to go through to get modern cars running again against the wishes of the manufacturers.

I get it, though. Cars are becoming like iPhones where the manufacturers are totally against you making any repairs at all. We've just grown used to cars being one of the most commonly repairable items we buy. At some point in the near future car ownership will probably diminish significantly as robotaxis flood the market and the manufacturers will become even less interested in self-repairs.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by stoneforger »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #41
dmix wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The 2026 Leaf takes many of the Ariya’s good qualities and one ups them at one of the lowest price points in the industry. Still costs $30k+ USD for base trim. Chinese cars are going for sub-$20k. Few governments want a repeat of the Japanese disruption of US/European car manufacturing, so they were banned before getting the opportunity.

I’d love to see a ~$20k EV too, but it’s gonna be tough to pull that off without China’s cheap labor and materials, at least until EVs start moving at the kind of volumes that traditional ICE and hybrid vehicles sell at.

https://evmagazine.com/news/how-chinas-byd-is-using-ai-to-sc... , it's automation and vertical integration. It shows what was always possible if companies focused on product instead of stock buybacks. Fuck Jack Welch.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by SkyPuncher »

fyrn_ wrote: post #11
JSR_FDED wrote: post #2

This is exactly why I’m so uninterested in driving en EV. I usually word it as “I don’t want to drive a computer”, but the reality is that I don’t want to be on the wrong end of the power imbalance that comes from this amount of complexity.

Many modern ford cars have 6 CAN buses. ICE cars are not simpler. The tech _has_ been beaten with the hammer of incremental improvement for a long time, but ICE cars are not less computer controlled. If anything ice engines require many more "computers" and sensors to be efficient

My Hybrid F-150 is so freaking complex. They basically seem to have swapped many components over to electrical drive (like the F-150 Lightning), but they still have to slap all of the ICE components in there as well.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by [deleted] »

samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

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Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by pickledish »

ethbr1 wrote: post #64
eddieroger wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've felt similarly recently, and I think those days are fleeting if not gone. Ford recently talked about replatforming their entire range, which would include basic trucks at more reasonable prices, but there's not really a market for work trucks in the way there used to be, and they're gone in favor of the luxury ones with small beds. It is annoying. There is an interesting startup that I can't remember the name of…

Slate?

They're talking about this I'm pretty sure!

https://www.telotrucks.com/

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Post by nomel »

8note wrote: post #45
JSR_FDED wrote: post #2

This is exactly why I’m so uninterested in driving en EV. I usually word it as “I don’t want to drive a computer”, but the reality is that I don’t want to be on the wrong end of the power imbalance that comes from this amount of complexity.

EV and "driving a computer" are orthogonal chances are that you are driving an ICE computer, with all the problems driving a computer comes with. the EV itself is simpler than ICE is. fewer moving parts, and short supply chains once you actually have the thing. how much complexity goes into making and supplying your gas?

Yeah, modern ICE is a massively complex control system problem, requiring so much more compute than EV, just to meet regulations.

Here's a funny example: the fuel vapor recovery system. It stores fuel vapors from the gas tank, that otherwise would have leaked into the air, in a canister of activated carbon. When under appropriate driving/environmental conditions, it opens valves and feeds the vapor into the intake stream, so it's burned.

[1] https://www.motor.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Evap_0319-1...

Article: https://www.motor.com/magazine-summary/vapor-tales-understan...

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Post by kens »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #50
barrenko wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically the plot of the Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

Back then they should just let the oil go on the side of road. No need to capture it

That reminds me of the Popular Science garage hint from 1963, explaining how to easily dispose of used motor oil: Dig a hole in the ground and fill it with fine gravel. Pour in the oil, and it will be absorbed into the ground before your next oil change.

https://books.google.com/books?id=myADAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA166#v=on...

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Post by CalRobert »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #2

This is exactly why I’m so uninterested in driving en EV. I usually word it as “I don’t want to drive a computer”, but the reality is that I don’t want to be on the wrong end of the power imbalance that comes from this amount of complexity.

I am, perhaps naively, hoping the Slate pickup can be better about this.

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Post by CalRobert »

mannykannot wrote: post #20
samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

I have never owned or wanted a pickup, but now I'm wondering about getting a basic one (if that's still an option.) It is annoying and depressing.

Maybe Slate? https://www.slate.auto/

A new 1980's mini truck would be awesome. If only...

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by [deleted] »

chihuahua wrote: post #59
marssaxman wrote: post #15

> BMW has over-engineered the They have over-engineered the everything , because that is what BMW does. That is what they have been about for the last thirty years.

People get upset when a BMW is expensive to repair, but they're misunderstanding the sophisticated German engineering. You're not supposed to repair it. You're supposed to throw it away and buy a new one.

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