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BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by gkanai »

samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

I would argue peak car was a little earlier, maybe the 2000-2010 decade. Fewer screens to fail, analog buttons and dials. Airbags, and ABS for safety but without the additional computers/screens.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by inferiorhuman »

0_____0 wrote: post #18
marssaxman wrote: post #15

> BMW has over-engineered the They have over-engineered the everything , because that is what BMW does. That is what they have been about for the last thirty years.

After reading the blog post I had the same thought. Doing an oil change on my F650GS motorcycle required removing the plastics, draining the oil from both the top and bottom of the motorcycle, removing a plate on the side of the engine after install the BMW specified oil redirection funnel, extracting the filter and reinstalling. The oil funnel had a legit BMW part number. Most of us either just made a mess or used a…

You win some, you lose some. Comparable process on my E46 and E39: Drain plug out (potentially flipping a little dust cover out of the way). Drain plug in. Stand up because everything else happens up top. Unscrew filter housing. Replace filter element. Replace filter housing. Fill.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by moogly »

fragmede wrote: post #46
bdangubic wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as long as you don’t compare them to any car. teslas in 2025 belong in a museum lol I own tesla s 2014, my neighbour has 2025, same car. tesla x was cool… in 2017. tesla 3 is like a worse looking kia and model y is like if you took tesla 3 and pumped some air in it.

If all you care about is looks, that is. Get out of any other car and you forget you can't just walk away from it and it'll shut itself off and lock the doors. I've had my Tesla driving friends drive my ICE car, and then not even turn off the engine when they go into the store because you don't need to do that with a Tesla.

> Get out of any other car and you forget you can't just walk away from it and it'll shut itself off and lock the doors.

A lot of cars have that. My (gulp) BMW EV for instance. Newer BMW ICE cars too.

But sure, some brands have had problems getting it to work for some dumb reason, recently, even the keyless entry part, which really has been a solved problem since at least the 2010s.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by ethbr1 »

eddieroger wrote: post #57
mannykannot wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never owned or wanted a pickup, but now I'm wondering about getting a basic one (if that's still an option.) It is annoying and depressing.

I've felt similarly recently, and I think those days are fleeting if not gone. Ford recently talked about replatforming their entire range, which would include basic trucks at more reasonable prices, but there's not really a market for work trucks in the way there used to be, and they're gone in favor of the luxury ones with small beds. It is annoying. There is an interesting startup that I can't remember the name of…

Slate?

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by ethbr1 »

gkanai wrote: post #61
samarthr1 wrote: post #6

This makes me feel that peak car was 2010 ish, when, when engines were powerful, cheap, and not too polluting, but also not overly complex. Spare parts were small, cheap, and easily accessible too (atleast for my toyota) I dread being forced to upgrade, not out of disdain for the environment, but the fact that I will spend more money, on a less reliable, less "mine" car, and more something big daddy government wants.

I would argue peak car was a little earlier, maybe the 2000-2010 decade. Fewer screens to fail, analog buttons and dials. Airbags, and ABS for safety but without the additional computers/screens.

4th gen 4Runner w/ a 2UZ-FE

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by inferiorhuman »

worik wrote: post #48
jfoster wrote: post #8

I think it continues to be under-appreciated how much of a lead Tesla still has in EVs. Even BMW can't make something that is practical. First people said "competition is coming" for about a decade. Now the competition has finally half arrived, but it's still so far behind. Perhaps the closest is BYD, but most BYD drivers would prefer to be driving a Tesla.

> Even BMW can't make something that is practical. Hyperbole, but essentially true The Japanese beat everybody when ICE ruled. Their cars were miles ahead on every measure except snob value. In the the of EV it will be the Chinese. Tesla has no hope of keeping up, they are already fallen behind on snob value, their cars have none now. I think the comment about BYD drivers preferring Tesla is out of date now. Ti e wil…

From what I can tell the Chinese are targeting the bottom of the market with cars that are essentially disposable. The ones to watch, IMO, are Hyundai/Kia. If they can sort out the reliability issues there's a lot of potential there.

Honestly I'm cautiously optimistic about VW, especially after they've started backing away from those awful capacitive buttons.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by inferiorhuman »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #2

This is exactly why I’m so uninterested in driving en EV. I usually word it as “I don’t want to drive a computer”, but the reality is that I don’t want to be on the wrong end of the power imbalance that comes from this amount of complexity.

This seems like more of a BMW issue than EV. On my E46 and E39 there's a pyrotechnic fuse on the negative battery terminal. It's somewhere around $400 in parts to replace. It's only gotten more expensive and more complex with their newer ICE cars.

Back in the 80s and 90s Ford's solution was a reusable inertia switch.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by nutjob2 »

JSR_FDED wrote: post #2

This is exactly why I’m so uninterested in driving en EV. I usually word it as “I don’t want to drive a computer”, but the reality is that I don’t want to be on the wrong end of the power imbalance that comes from this amount of complexity.

You're blaming the wrong thing. EVs are ultimately much, much simpler than ICE cars, it's just that certain manufacturers are taking this opportunity to turn their cars into elaborate scams.

Everything is a computer these days, but that doesn't mean that they have to be needlessly complicated. I think EVs are great, but I won't be buying one until they start selling cheap, simple ones.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by NewJazz »

GMoromisato wrote: post #12
jkterhune wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PHEV in the title is plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. Different from a pure EV.

This is true. EVs are much simpler than ICE, and PHEV basically have all the complexity of EV+ICE.

Plus more. My Volt had a component fail that was responsible for switching the cabin heater between the battery and the motor, so if I placed the vehicle in pure EV mode then I couldn't heat the cabin, oops!

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by l1tany11 »

bdangubic wrote: post #24
stevenally wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I think it continues to be under-appreciated how much of a lead Tesla still has in EVs". As long as you don't compare them to BYD etc.

as long as you don’t compare them to any car. teslas in 2025 belong in a museum lol I own tesla s 2014, my neighbour has 2025, same car. tesla x was cool… in 2017. tesla 3 is like a worse looking kia and model y is like if you took tesla 3 and pumped some air in it.

2025 S is the same as your 2014 S? That’s some hilarious cope. Stop lying. You know it’s completely different. Yes, a model S is still a model S. And the F150 is still a pickup truck. Surprise!
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