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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lingrush4 »

dctoedt wrote: post #513
scratchyone wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, consider that some of these students may need the accommodation specifically because of the pressure of the final exam. Many mental health disabilities will become worse with stress. A low stress environment and a high stress final exam could trigger entirely different symptoms. For example, I have OCD (real, diagnosed, not the bs "omg im so ocddddd"). I have extra time accommodations because I have to spend ti…

> some of these students may need the accommodation specifically because of the pressure of the final exam. Success as a lawyer often requires the ability to handle a certain amount of pressure. Timed exams are one way of screening for that ability. But it's by no means a sure-fire predictor of success: Legendary trial lawyer Joe Jamail [0] flunked his first-year Torts class at UT Austin [1], yet went on to become a…

One can only hope these accommodations are not being granted to medical students.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by smegma2 »

p-e-w wrote: post #565
esascammer wrote: post #556

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It is beyond frustrating that people - in general - abuse accommodations for those with legitimate disabilities in order to bring their pets into places they don’t belong.

This is 100% the fault of a society that has continuously pushed to expand the meaning of “disability” (and many other words) until it no longer resembles anything that a reasonable person would associate with the term, while aggressively silencing anyone who dared to speak out against that concept creep.

Yes, but people who lie are also at fault

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by cyanydeez »

shetaye wrote: post #81

Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

Is this better or worse than nepo babies, white privilege or other normal social status benefits for college?

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lingrush4 »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #427
dctoedt wrote: post #100

I'm mostly a law professor these days. When final-exam time rolls around (as in, this week), I raise my eyebrows when I'm sent the list of students who get 50% extra time. I wouldn't presume to judge the propriety of any given student's accommodation. But many of the accommodated students seem to have done just fine in class discussions during the semester. FTA: "Unnecessary accommodations are a two-front form of che…

I don't see how getting 50% extra time on exams is anything remotely close to cheating. Almost nothing I do in my day to day job comes close to being as time-boxed or arbitrarily restrictive as exams were in college.

What do you do for work?

I'm not aware of many jobs where employers don't care how fast the work gets done.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lurking_swe »

andrewrn wrote: post #544
shetaye wrote: post #81

Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

Did anyone else actually enjoy dorm life? I was a freshman some years ago, so maybe it’s generational, but it was a very fond time. I guess it’s probably high variance. My roomate was a great dude. I can easily see how it could go the other way.

i remember being woken up at 3am by him vomiting in the middle of the room. In the morning he used my swiffer to clean up his vomit. I told him to keep the swiffer .

On the bright side, i met my spouse and we’ve been together for 10+ years so not all bad lol.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lurking_swe »

rayiner wrote: post #492
shetaye wrote: post #81

Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

Seems like evidence of profound moral decline that students would do that.

not even moral decline! I’d personally feel like a fraud every day if I “made it“ by using 5 different _unnecessary_ accommodations. Where is the satisfaction in that?

I’m a slow reader. Do i have a disability? Who cares - i can still read well and did OK at school, that’s all that matters.

People that game the system in this way are basically frauds. They take resources that are intended to benefit people that ARE struggling with basic life skills in some way.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by raincom »

shetaye wrote: post #81

Regarding Stanford specifically, I did not see the number broken down by academic or residential disability (in the underlying Atlantic article). This is relevant, because > Some students get approved for housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional-support animals. buries the lede, at least for Stanford. It is incredibly commonplace for students to "get an OAE" (Office of Accessible Education) exclus…

30% of passengers ask for wheelchairs on long distance flights from India. That's how the system gets abused for priority boarding.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

bananalychee wrote: post #527
rovr138 wrote: post #22

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Who are you to say what should be included or not, that something can be gauged as mild or not, and that there should be a treshold?

I have firsthand experience being diagnosed and prescribed medication for ADHD within about half an hour of self-reporting mild symptoms with a physician remotely, for one, so perhaps I'm more of an authority on this subject than most commenters here. I suppose it would be equally trivial to seek an ASD diagnosis, since Asperger's is now lumped in with autism and classified as a disability despite not being one.

> have firsthand experience being diagnosed and prescribed medication for ADHD within about half an hour of self-reporting mild symptoms with a physician remotely,

And that makes you competent to determine the value of the disability claims of others and the appropriate accommodations such folks should receive?

Really?

Then again, you are the eminent galaxy-wide expert on such things, aren't you bananalychee.

Will you honor my request to impregnate my wife and daughters so they can carry offspring that's so much more valuable than anyone else on the planet? Pretty please!

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by Scubabear68 »

windows_hater_7 wrote: post #526
Scubabear68 wrote: post #326

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So you are a long way from Kindergarten to an elite university. I mention this because it is odd to me that you picked your 4 to 5 year old self to validate why you are getting accommodations in your teens/twenties at a self-described elite university. My own kids have some issues and varying levels of accommodations, but those have evolved and lessened over time. As you would hope they would! You seem to imply your…

No offense taken. My first point was that some of these students were legitimately diagnosed with learning disabilities long before grades, the SAT, or college admissions were even a thought. I also should have been more clear that I wasn't diagnosed with dyslexia and ADHD until I was around 9, so I went from needing to repeat grades to being more successful in school as a result of getting the support I needed. My o…

This will probably get me voted into oblivion, but reading your posts here, I wonder how you would do if accommodations were taken away from you entirely in your elite university.

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I suspect rather strongly you would do just fine based on what I am reading here.

And before people flame me into oblivion, in addition to my own kids I know lots of others with significant learning disabilities. They have one thing in common: they don't write like this.

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