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Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by cosmicgadget »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #89
mopsi wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is standard European censorship of Russian media and news. There is not a single media outlet left in Russia anymore. The media crackdown is complete. They are all government propaganda now, repeating the same narratives dictated by the Kremlin and free only to choose the wording. They deserve to be removed from the market the same way a box of cereal is pulled when ingredients do not match the printing on the…

Of course, US media is completely independent and has diverse views. We should all emulate US media. https://theweek.com/speedreads/764546/watch-surreal-video-co...

Are you saying there is a shortage of viewpoint diversity available to Americans because local news is owned by a couple megacorps?

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by KetoManx64 »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #104
r00fus wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What form of government do you think we live in? Where laws are routinely ignored by our "leadership" and bribery is essentially legal and we have our own "oligarchs"? The US initiates wars and supports war crimes as policy - dictatorship? We're far beyond that.

This is a strange response to a comment about censorship and nationalization of the media.

Considering the Biden administration pressured Facebook and Twitter to shadownban people/organizations they didn't like, TikTok being forced to sell to a US company, which has a literal shitton of goverment contracts and CIA ties.. the US is not that far away from Russia. Russia is just more open about it.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by cosmicgadget »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #112
cosmicgadget wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a strange response to a comment about censorship and nationalization of the media.

Considering the Biden administration pressured Facebook and Twitter to shadownban people/organizations they didn't like, TikTok being forced to sell to a US company, which has a literal shitton of goverment contracts and CIA ties.. the US is not that far away from Russia. Russia is just more open about it.

It is funny that you are comparing the scope of covid misinformation bans to Russia's broad censorship of international media. Ultimately, though, you should evaluate the system rather than the efforts of a single individual. Because the social media bans were litigated.

Wouldn't TikTok being sold to a company that the government trusts be an indication that the concern over access to Americans' data (rather than the message) is a genuine one?

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by johncolanduoni »

extesy wrote: post #92
mog_dev wrote: post #69

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If they get money from users in that particular country then yes.

Not necessarily. Roblox does not directly receive money from users - nobody sends them a paper check or bank wire from Russia. Technically they get money from payment providers, who are supposedly compliant with all sanctions. I'm pretty sure that any provider that can support Roblox scale is big enough to worry about risks of being non-compliant.

Not all sanctions only require you to validate that the bank isn’t from that country. Usually disbursing money (which Roblox does as a two-sided marketplace) requires actual KYC.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by johncolanduoni »

culebron21 wrote: post #28
booi wrote: post #9

I don’t get it. Roblox is an American company. Wouldn’t the pretty broad sanctions prevent them from operating there already?

There's a big difference -- when EU/US bans Russians from using Roblox and other things and seeing other culture, (or someone bans Russians or Iranians by IP), it's rightful and thoughtful decision to protect democracy. When Russia does the same, it's dictatorial censorship.

Not all governments are equal - though this cuts both ways.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by KetoManx64 »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #113
KetoManx64 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the Biden administration pressured Facebook and Twitter to shadownban people/organizations they didn't like, TikTok being forced to sell to a US company, which has a literal shitton of goverment contracts and CIA ties.. the US is not that far away from Russia. Russia is just more open about it.

It is funny that you are comparing the scope of covid misinformation bans to Russia's broad censorship of international media. Ultimately, though, you should evaluate the system rather than the efforts of a single individual. Because the social media bans were litigated. Wouldn't TikTok being sold to a company that the government trusts be an indication that the concern over access to Americans' data (rather than the…

They're both censoring what individuals and organizations are allowed to say online and what their citizens are allowed to read/hear..? Just because they took a different approach and pressured companies without telling the public doesn't change that fact.

So you think the government forced TikTok to sell it's US operations to Oracle, the company with CIA ties, that has been caught spying on it's customers data before, and who's CEO proudly said "Citizens will be on their best behavior,” and “because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.” is about" data privacy"?

https://www.iccl.ie/news/class-action-against-oracle/

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by johncolanduoni »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #105
culebron21 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference -- when EU/US bans Russians from using Roblox and other things and seeing other culture, (or someone bans Russians or Iranians by IP), it's rightful and thoughtful decision to protect democracy. When Russia does the same, it's dictatorial censorship.

Which bans are you referring to?

They’re referring to sanctions - persons/businesses residing in Russia, certain specific individuals and those working for specific Russian entities are locked out of much of the Western economy. I think it’s reasonable personally, but I can understand how a Russian 1000km from the Ukrainian frontline who used to sell jewelry on Etsy would be pissed.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by SanjayMehta »

mopsi wrote: post #97
SanjayMehta wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, US media is completely independent and has diverse views. We should all emulate US media. https://theweek.com/speedreads/764546/watch-surreal-video-co...

The other day I saw Judge Napolitano calling for Hegseth to be prosecuted as a war criminal for ordering a second strike on the survivors of a boat strike. This happened on Newsmax, which is ultra partisan and very pro-Trump. And even they are not always following the party line. Nothing of this sort happens in Russia anymore. The Kremlin has full editorial control over all media outlets. What they want published get…

What Russian war crimes?

While the US commits nothing but war crimes.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by cosmicgadget »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #116
cosmicgadget wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is funny that you are comparing the scope of covid misinformation bans to Russia's broad censorship of international media. Ultimately, though, you should evaluate the system rather than the efforts of a single individual. Because the social media bans were litigated. Wouldn't TikTok being sold to a company that the government trusts be an indication that the concern over access to Americans' data (rather than the…

They're both censoring what individuals and organizations are allowed to say online and what their citizens are allowed to read/hear..? Just because they took a different approach and pressured companies without telling the public doesn't change that fact. So you think the government forced TikTok to sell it's US operations to Oracle, the company with CIA ties, that has been caught spying on it's customers data befor…

If your position is "all censorship is equivalent" then I don't have much to say.

The TikTok legislation was about protecting Americans' data from foreign ownership. Oracle was not named in the legislation. Regardless of how corrupt the subsequent events have been, I don't think anyone on the platform has been censored as a result.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by SanjayMehta »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #109
SanjayMehta wrote: post #81

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We are sick of European hypocrisy; lecturing the "third world" on democracy, freedom of the press, human rights, climate change blah blah blah instead of introspecting on the mess within. [0] https://www.outlookindia.com/national/explained-what-jaishan...

I could swear I have read something about the BBC and UK introspecting over this "scandal".

Yeah, right.

As my USAian friend once told me, "it's better to do whatever you want, and then pretend to apologise when you get caught."

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