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Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by seattle_spring »

itroot wrote: post #20
ch2026 wrote: post #4

Incidentally nobody in Russia can read that article because they already banned the BBC and 80 other EU media outlets. And Facebook. And Instagram. And Twitter. And Discord. This is standard Russian censorship of western media and news.

I'm from Russia (currently in Moscow), and I can read your comment just fine without VPN. BBC won't open... which is fine, as I jump straight to comments as many do here :))) . Also do not miss twitter and facebook. Youtube is working (so far) with no ads. Also stuff like WaPo is perfectly acessible. Sometimes I skim through it (also mostly comments), then check ZeroHedge to get the opposite view. So a lot of info is…

> check ZeroHedge to get the opposite view

Can you elaborate here? ZeroHedge isn't an opposing viewpoint nor opinion, it's mostly made-up nonsense. Even calling it pseudoscience would be generous.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by GaryBluto »

seattle_spring wrote: post #21
itroot wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from Russia (currently in Moscow), and I can read your comment just fine without VPN. BBC won't open... which is fine, as I jump straight to comments as many do here :))) . Also do not miss twitter and facebook. Youtube is working (so far) with no ads. Also stuff like WaPo is perfectly acessible. Sometimes I skim through it (also mostly comments), then check ZeroHedge to get the opposite view. So a lot of info is…

> check ZeroHedge to get the opposite view Can you elaborate here? ZeroHedge isn't an opposing viewpoint nor opinion, it's mostly made-up nonsense. Even calling it pseudoscience would be generous.

> Can you elaborate here? ZeroHedge isn't an opposing viewpoint nor opinion

People's worldviews define their opinions, no matter how bizarre or fantastical a worldview may be.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by throwaway290 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #5
ch2026 wrote: post #4

Incidentally nobody in Russia can read that article because they already banned the BBC and 80 other EU media outlets. And Facebook. And Instagram. And Twitter. And Discord. This is standard Russian censorship of western media and news.

Everybody in Russia who is not a complete idiot already has a VPN that allows to circumvent censorship (for now). Source: I'm in Russia now. In the end it'll likely end with whitelists of allowed IP addresses, and that will indeed insure that nobody would be able to access banned resources.

"everybody who is not a complete idiot" not true. looks like you're in your tech bubble and you think everybody else who is a regular person is an idiot.

using VPN for circumventing censorship is illegal in Russia. fine is worse if if you promote it. for people who can't afford to spend a few thousands it's enough.

some people don't care about fines, but new ISP equipment detects and ban VPNs quickly so people always need to keep trying new servers. so people get used to not using VPN more and more because it's annoying and unstable.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by garrettjoecox »

DecoPerson wrote: post #19
briantakita wrote: post #10

Roblox has been banned in China since 2021. Perhaps it's something to do with nationalist governments not liking global corporate circumvention of their culture/power.

Or maybe Roblox is causing harm to children and nationalist governments are the fastest to both recognise and respond to the issue. We can speculate all day, but we should try to analyse these sorts of things from a learning perspective. What can we learn from Russia, China, etc? How are they better?

They don’t need to hide behind a "think of the children" excuse to justify invading people’s privacy and rights. They already do that freely. But to be fair, they do actually think about the kids some times. Limiting screen time, banning certain games, and restricting social media are based policies for developing brains IMO.

In 20 years we'll look at a lot of things that are normalized today like we look at cigarettes now, in disbelief at how unhealthy it was.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by RomanPushkin »

It's both good and bad. On one hand, it's sad that there's no access. On the other hand, it increases the diversity of tools and services worldwide. Google, for example, is well known for buying startups just to kill them.

In Russia and China, they have their own search engines, social networks, eBay/Amazon alternatives, and so on. These companies have produced great free software like LLMs, databases, development tools, etc.

Seeing a corporation lose control over the Internet is usually good news for us, the small people - even if that change is coming from the government.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by speedgoose »

DecoPerson wrote: post #19
briantakita wrote: post #10

Roblox has been banned in China since 2021. Perhaps it's something to do with nationalist governments not liking global corporate circumvention of their culture/power.

Or maybe Roblox is causing harm to children and nationalist governments are the fastest to both recognise and respond to the issue. We can speculate all day, but we should try to analyse these sorts of things from a learning perspective. What can we learn from Russia, China, etc? How are they better?

Not banning a video game because it has some LGBT stuff in it, perhaps ?

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by throwaway290 »

grishka wrote: post #7
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody in Russia who is not a complete idiot already has a VPN that allows to circumvent censorship (for now). Source: I'm in Russia now. In the end it'll likely end with whitelists of allowed IP addresses, and that will indeed insure that nobody would be able to access banned resources.

> In the end it'll likely end with whitelists of allowed IP addresses I already had this idea of tunneling traffic through the voice/video calls in the Max messenger app. No one has done it in practice, yet , but I see no reason why it should not be possible. Обход блокировок, который ловит даже на парковке ;)

great idea. use the app tied to your passport and gosuslugi to make sure they know who is the genius when they detect it.

edit: didn't know they allow anything except belarus, cool... as long as you can anonymously register that number

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by culebron21 »

booi wrote: post #9

I don’t get it. Roblox is an American company. Wouldn’t the pretty broad sanctions prevent them from operating there already?

There's a big difference -- when EU/US bans Russians from using Roblox and other things and seeing other culture, (or someone bans Russians or Iranians by IP), it's rightful and thoughtful decision to protect democracy. When Russia does the same, it's dictatorial censorship.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by coryrc »

throwaway290 wrote: post #23
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody in Russia who is not a complete idiot already has a VPN that allows to circumvent censorship (for now). Source: I'm in Russia now. In the end it'll likely end with whitelists of allowed IP addresses, and that will indeed insure that nobody would be able to access banned resources.

"everybody who is not a complete idiot" not true. looks like you're in your tech bubble and you think everybody else who is a regular person is an idiot. using VPN for circumventing censorship is illegal in Russia. fine is worse if if you promote it. for people who can't afford to spend a few thousands it's enough. some people don't care about fines, but new ISP equipment detects and ban VPNs quickly so people always…

> everybody else who is a regular person is an idiot.

Looking at your dictator's approval levels and the number of people willingly signing up to die while killing innocents, that sounds correct.

You all need help breaking the cycle of intergenerational trauma.

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