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Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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I always found the fact that he named a company after himself to be pretty off-putting, personally Also, didn't said company piss people off in some way that led to Open Tofu being created?

Dell, HP, Walmart, Johnson & Johnson, Ford...it's not exactly unheard of to name your company after yourself.

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Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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Mitchell Hashimoto is a real programmer in the old vein. It's lovely to see him succeed. Ghostty is fantastic to use. There was a devtools blackhole era once where if you got in that business you were just giving things away and never got to reap the rewards. Then there was this era of founders who figured out how to make it sticky and capture value in a Pareto-optimal way. Love to see it.

I always found the fact that he named a company after himself to be pretty off-putting, personally Also, didn't said company piss people off in some way that led to Open Tofu being created?

He mentioned in an interview Hashicorp was just a corporate entity that he used as a teenager to do some contracting here and there. He and the other founder weren't that keen on using it but the name stuck.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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I use Ghostty because it is a native application, and it looks great on macOS and GNOME. WezTerm, Kitty, and Foot don't do that for me. Foot is great though.

They're all native applications.

No, they're not. Don't be pedantic that it's native because it is written in Rust or whatever, that's clearly not what was meant.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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Side projects that aren't a conflict of interest when working at Google is rather limiting. Likely less so for small companies.

Not really, in my personal experience and per my friends, most of big companies are pretty lenient about it, except for Apple.

No, they're pretty strict. It just changes what you are allowed to do, with Apple being very restrictive in not letting you do it at all.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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I keep seeing Ghostty in the news, and I've tried it, but it feels like just another terminal emulator to men. This coming from someone who spends 90% of the workday in the terminal. Asking in good faith -- could someone tell me what's special about Ghostty compared to alternatives?

I like that ghostty supports bitmap fonts. Kitty doesn’t (and won’t) support those.

I also like the “ghostty +list-themes” command and the splash page animation on their site.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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post #79

> I believe infrastructure of this kind should be stewarded by a mission-driven, non-commercial entity that prioritizes public benefit over private profit. One of my pet peeves is people trotting out “I believe” statements. (Usually) I care much more about the evidence that backs the belief than the belief. Putting aside my cantankerousness, I am glad Michael believes in setting up good incentives for the organizatio…

It seems likely that some people have perceived what I wrote above as some kind of criticism of Ghostty or that it is now funded by a non-profit. That would be a misunderstanding [1].

Personally -- for context, not to be confused with an argument-from-authority -- I've worked in the not-for-profit sector (3+ orgs) as well as studying how to make it work better. There are people with immensely more knowledge than I, and I have learned from them, and I respect the lessons they try to convey.

In case it puts people at ease, yes, I want Ghostty to succeed. I tend to agree that a not-for-profit home is likely be a good choice, especially relative to an alternative where it might be mostly reliant on one person and/or beholden to corporate interests.

So what I am saying, at core? More or less: this is probably a good start but only a start. I am suggesting more awareness of:

1. There is a psychological tendency for people to _believe_ others who express more confidence. Being aware of this helps us notice it and prefer evidence over statements of belief.

2. What does evidence show about making OSS project succeed? Giving it a not-for-profit home seems like a good start, but how important is this relative to other choices? What does the evidence show?

To mention one place to start, here is a open-access article from the ACM that I skimmed: "Open Source Software Sustainability: Combining Institutional Analysis and Socio-Technical Networks" [2] However, I didn't find it particularly useful in answering my #2 question above. Also the paper seemed mostly to promote a method of analysis but didn't drive towards actionable nor causal recommendations.

[1]: Maybe the misunderstanding comes from one or more of the following?

(a) halo effect (e.g. "Michael is a good guy, your words imply an indirect criticism of him");

(b) tribalism (e.g. "you are either with us or against us");

(c) timing-oriented (e.g. "this is not the time to be critical; this is a time to be jolly.");

(d) past success implies future results (e.g. "Hack Club has done well so far, trust them");

(e) tone-policing (e.g. "You seem grumpy, dude");

(f) feeling lectured-at (e.g. "You seem to act like you know things we don't.")

All of these possibilities would involve a some degree of presumption about what is appropriate and some level of disengagement with the substance of what I'm writing. Remember, we have a big tent here with room for many different points of view.

[2] https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3555129

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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post #63

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I'd be really interested in hearing more about that argument. I can take a guess with respect to Linux: that's the kind of software where forcing companies to submit code back to it is enormously beneficial due to the need for an operating system to have drivers for vast ranges of different hardware.

How does Windows without such force to contribute code back have better drivers?

I imagine because the Windows team at Microsoft have an annual budget measured in billions of dollars.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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Seconding this. I pivoted to tech in my early 30s and feel I've missed out on a lot of community building opportunities.

Recurse Center might be a good option https://www.recurse.com

Recurse center is awesome! The community is curious, kind and supportive. I did 2 batches there and each one expanded my horizons as a programmer.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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I wasn't aware of Hack Club before and wow, their fiscal sponsorship program is enormous: https://hackclub.com/fiscal-sponsorship/directory/ - looks like they cover more than 2,500 organizations! The Python Software Foundation acts as a fiscal sponsor for a much smaller set of orgs (20 listed on https://www.python.org/psf/fiscal-sponsorees/ ) and it keeps our accounting team pretty busy just looking after those. Hack…

Hack Club was featured on front page not long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45913663 It might have improved since then?

Yes, they have hired a lawyer. Also, as part of Hack Club it is an incredible place, meeting like minded people, participation in hackathons, member run programs like YSWS(You Ship We Ship) and much more!

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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I wasn't aware of Hack Club before and wow, their fiscal sponsorship program is enormous: https://hackclub.com/fiscal-sponsorship/directory/ - looks like they cover more than 2,500 organizations! The Python Software Foundation acts as a fiscal sponsor for a much smaller set of orgs (20 listed on https://www.python.org/psf/fiscal-sponsorees/ ) and it keeps our accounting team pretty busy just looking after those. Hack…

It's incredible! HCB is a member run project where teens can also make their own non profits! Even Hack Clubs finances are made public at https://hcb.hackclub.com/hq/
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