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Ghostty is now non-profit

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Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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Rather thank IBM for paying Mitchell an outrageous amount of money for Hashicorp, so he can devote all of his time on awesome projects like Ghostty without ever thinking about sustainable income ever again. So thanks, IBM! <3

While you're not wrong, I think this undersells a little how much Mitchell has given of his time to OSS. Yes, he's fortunate that he doesn't have to worry about money, but even when he did, he still contributed openly and freely. That's part of what drew lots of us to HashiCorp in the first place - giving back.

It's a little tongue-in-cheek, but as you can see elsewhere in this discussion thread he mentions this himself on his own X account:

"get asked the same about terminals all the time. “How will you turn this into a business? What’s the monetization strategy?” The monetization strategy is that my bank account has 3 commas mate."

https://x.com/mitchellh/status/1964785527741427940

Take a good guess where the three commas come from.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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post #52

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Using a copyleft license can add friction that reduces the amount of value your software can create in the world. I'd honestly rather Apple and Microsoft ripped off my work if it meant that my work provided more utility to a larger number of people.

I recently heard the argument that the license-friction of copyleft sometimes is actually a good thing. Think linux kernel that arguably is more successful than all the BSDs combined (citation needed)...

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Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

#73
Is anyone opposed or at least of two minds concerning what could be described as the bureaucratization of FOSS?

Or has this always been a thing. But it feels like a common—and celebrated—outcome for a lot of projects.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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I love Mitchell’s X post awhile back: “What the monetization strategy of Ghostty?” “My monetization strategy is that my bank account has 10 digits in it…” lol, epic.

Ha. That counts the cents, though, I assume? I didn't think Hashicorp was that big, right?

Hashicorp was sold for 6.5B to IBM.

Another thing - when it went public it was valued at 13B and Hashimoto owned 8.5% of it according to the filing.

So, depending on when he sold or converted his shares it is pretty plausible that he got a billion.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather thank IBM for paying Mitchell an outrageous amount of money for Hashicorp, so he can devote all of his time on awesome projects like Ghostty without ever thinking about sustainable income ever again. So thanks, IBM! <3

While you're not wrong, I think this undersells a little how much Mitchell has given of his time to OSS. Yes, he's fortunate that he doesn't have to worry about money, but even when he did, he still contributed openly and freely. That's part of what drew lots of us to HashiCorp in the first place - giving back.

Money begets the freedom to work on causes. Monetization was always a core part of Hashicorp, rather than being a bolt-on after years of OSS. Which is a good thing. (I was a customer of the first commercial offering from Hashicorp, their VMWare add-on for Vagrant)

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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Really nice to see a solidly valuable project develop a sustainable foundation instead of turning into yet another VC-backed devtools startup that will inevitably die in a few years.

"sustainable foundation" it's still one guy funding it, no? seems as sustainable as before

How do you expect that to change? What is the next step in your mind? Maybe asking for donations? If only he would set up some way that the general public could contribute money to the project! That’d be the smart thing to do. Then he could write a blog post about it, and maybe someone would post a link to HN. That’d really be something.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

#78

Is there a compelling reason to use ghostty on Linux, over say, gnome-terminal or foot?

gnome-terminal still writes out its scrollback history to the filesystem, potentially on-disk and not just tmpfs. It uses encryption to obfuscate that these days, but, it's still pretty weird behavior. Its performance is also relatively poor.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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> I believe infrastructure of this kind should be stewarded by a mission-driven, non-commercial entity that prioritizes public benefit over private profit.

One of my pet peeves is people trotting out “I believe” statements. (Usually) I care much more about the evidence that backs the belief than the belief.

Putting aside my cantankerousness, I am glad Michael believes in setting up good incentives for the organization that will manage Ghostty. (But being glad right now doesn’t count for much.)

At a deeper level, my more precise complaint is people broadcasting “I believe” statements as if doing so should persuade us. It should not. “I believe” statements may often be personal and genuine, but they are so easily abused that perhaps they should be enumerated among the dark patterns of rhetoric.

(There are some ridiculous quote from the first episode of Silicon Valley by Mike Judge that pokes fun at the zealotry behind belief, but I can’t quote it off the top of my head.)

In the case of software projects with broad benefits that want continuity over a long period of time, I want to agree that the not-for-profit structure is a good choice and often than the alternatives. But I don’t know that this has been carefully studied.

My hunch would be there are stronger causal predictors such as governance mechanisms. Choosing an organization form is just step one. Smart governance, and long-term execution can only be shown with time.

Individuals with unaligned incentives will challenge any organization’s set of rules. In the same way that our immune system has to evolve over time to win, organizational rules at all levels have to evolve.

Also, I do think there’s a lot of opportunity for smarter legal structures after the machinations pulled by OpenAI.

Re: Ghostty is now non-profit

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Really nice to see a solidly valuable project develop a sustainable foundation instead of turning into yet another VC-backed devtools startup that will inevitably die in a few years.

Good. Maybe they'll add search to the terminal now. /s

I'm hoping they'll get around to supporting command-number for switching between windows[0]. command-` is fine but clunky as hell when you have more than three or four windows. Without command-number, I'm still stuck using iTerm2 as my daily driver.

(It'd be nice if it supported other standard macOS UI conventions[1] too)

[0] https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/discussions/8131

[1] https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/issues?q=is%3Aissue%2...

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