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Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by utopiah »

mlrtime wrote: post #814
utopiah wrote: post #772

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Does your comparison include training, data center building, GPUs productions, etc or solely inference? (genuine question I don't know the total cost for e.g. Sora2, only inference which AFAIK is significant yet pale in comparison to everything upstream)

You could say the same about the airplane, does the CO2 emissions that the airline states for my seat include building the plane, the R/D, training the pilot.

Sure and I do, it's LCA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_assessment the problem IMHO being that the AI hype entire ecosystem is literally hiding everything it can about this behind the veil of giving information to competitors. We have CO2eq on model cards but we don't have much datapoints on proprietary models running on Azure cloud or wherever. At best we infer from some research papers that are close enough but we don't know for the most popular models and that's quite problematic. The car industry did everything it could too, e.g. Volkswagen scandal so let's not repeat that.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by sunaookami »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #811
sunaookami wrote: post #704

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ChatGPT is one of the most used websites in the world and it's used by the most normal people in the world, in what way is the opinion "generally negative"?

This is the epitome of the "yet you participate in society" gotcha.

No it's not. No one is forced to use ChatGPT, it got popular by itself. When millions use it voluntarily, that contradicts the 'generally negative' statement, even if there are legitimate criticisms of other aspects of AI.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by neilv »

int_19h wrote: post #715
neilv wrote: post #266

Lots of creators (e.g., writers, illustrators, voice actors) hate "AI" too. Not only because it's destroying creator jobs while also ripping off creators, but it's also producing shit that's offensively bad to professionals. One thing that people in tech circles might not be aware of is that people outside of tech circles aren't thinking that tech workers are smart. They haven't thought that for a long time. They are…

You have a very cartoon villain image of tech workers in your head. While Tesla-driving libertarian techbros are certainly a thing, this doesn't even accurately represent the majority of employees in Big Tech, nevermind the industry as a whole.

What impression do you think non-tech workers have of tech workers, these days.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by nutjob2 »

hatefulheart wrote: post #777
p0w3n3d wrote: post #752

Someone wrote on HN the (IMO) main reason why people do not accept AI. AI is about centralisation of power So basically, only a few companies that hold on the large models will have all the knowledge required to do things, and will lend you your computer collecting monthly fees. Also see https://be-clippy.com/ for more arguments (like Adobe moving to cloud to teach their model on your work). For me AI is just a natur…

Sorry but your SQL comparison is way off. SQL is deterministic, has a defined implementation that databases must follow and when you run a statement it presents a query plan. This is the absolute opposite to using an LLM. Please stop using this comparison and perhaps look for others, like for example, a randomised search engine.

You're missing the point entirely. He's saying it's horses for courses, each tool has its use and you use the right tool for the job.

And he's right. LLMs are fancy text query engines and work very well as such.

The problem is when people try to shoehorn everything into LLMs. That's a disaster yet being perused vigorously by some.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by toast0 »

lazystar wrote: post #622
toast0 wrote: post #33

> After a pause I tried to share how much better I've been feeling—how AI tools helped me learn faster, how much they accelerated my work on Wanderfugl. I didn't fully grok how tone deaf I was being though. She's drowning in resentment. Here's the deal. Everyone I know who is infatuated with AI shares things AI told them with me, unsolicited, and it's always so amazingly garbage, but they don't see it or they apologi…

speaking of caves... I just picked up an old gamecube. it's refreshing to play purely offline content from an age without any AI art of any kind. some games, like animal crossing, will break in 2031 though, so there's only a good 5 more years left to enjoy it.

Well, the Gamecube is probably fine, but the Dreamcast was thinking, so watch out :P

I know Animal Crossing is sensitive to the RTC, but could you set the clock back 28 years and go from there? You'll have the same days of the week and what not, just the year number will be wrong.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by nutjob2 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #161
averyvery wrote: post #144

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Yeah, "Engineers don't try" is a frustrating statement. We've all tried generative AI, and there's not that much to it — you put text in, you get text back out. Some models are better at some tasks, some tools are better at finding the right text and connecting it to the right actions, some tools provide a better wrapper around the text-generation process. Certain jobs are very easy for AI to do, others are impossibl…

This isn’t “unfair”, but you are intentionally underselling it. If you haven’t had a mind blown moment with AI yet, you aren’t doing it right or are anchoring in what you know vs discovering new tech. I’m not making any case for anything, but it’s just not that hard to get excited for something that sure does seem like magic sometimes. Edit: lol this forum :)

You whole comment reads like someone who is a victim of hype.

LLMs are great in their own way, but they're not a panacea.

You may recall that magic is way to trick people into believing things that are not true. The mythical form of magic doesn't exist.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by geldedus »

So, they were laid-off because they stubbornly resisted adopting AI? Remember those who were laid-off in the 90s because they resisted working at a computer because they hated computers? History repeating.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by bluefirebrand »

mips_avatar wrote: post #286
buildsjets wrote: post #237

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This is one of the most depressing things I have ever read on Hacker News. You claim to have become so de-actualized as a human being that you cannot fulfill the most basic items of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs (food, health, personal security, shelter, transportation) without the aid of an LLM.

IDK I got really sick in a foreign country, I wasn't sure how to get to the hospital and I was alone in a hotel room. I don't really know how using chatgpt to help me isn't actualizing.

I can't imagine being in this situation and thinking "I will ask ChatGPT" instead of "I will ask the people at the front desk of this hotel I'm staying at"

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by Alex_L_Wood »

crabmusket wrote: post #686
jahsome wrote: post #408

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I'm no apologist but this statement doesn't ring for me. It's easy to shock yourself with electricity, is it a bad tool?

Electricity isn't a tool, it's nature. An unenclosed electrical plug which you had to be really careful when handling would be a bad tool, yes. A tool is something designed by humans. We don't get to design electricity, but we do get to design the systems we put in place around it. Gravity isn't a tool, but stairs are, and there are good and bad stairs.

A knife then.

Re: Everyone in Seattle hates AI

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Post by pier25 »

jjgreen wrote: post #779
abustamam wrote: post #658

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Not to diminish your overall point, but enshittification has been happening well before AI, AI just made it much easier and faster to enshittify everything.

But AI allows us to make customised enshitification, think of the possibilities!

We don't need to spend money on customer support!
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