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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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> Altman said the company will be delaying initiatives like ads, shopping and health agents, and a personal assistant, Pulse, to focus on improving ChatGPT It's so telling that they're delaying these "festures" because the know full well people don't want them.

I don't understand this view. I think most people would be happy to use the best models for free in exchange for seeing ads. That's basically what google and many others successfully do for decades.

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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That's a bit revisionist. Network effects were obvious when Google acquired Youtube. Google Video had the edge technically, but it didn't matter because Youtube had the users/content and Google saw that very clearly in their user growth before they made their offer.

I'm not sure about it having the edge, I thought Google video had a worse interface between them at the time. But that point feels eerily relevant anyway: a lot of normal people I see don't care if Claude/Gemini/etc are better models technically, they're comfortable with ChatGPT already. A lot of YT's growth at the time was word of mouth and brand among the population, which is currently ChatGPT's position.

ChatGPT is losing their brand positioning to Google, Anthropic, and Chinese Open Source

Altman knows this and why he called code red. If OpenAI hasn't produce a fully new model in 1.5 years, how much longer can they hang on before people will turn to alternatives that are technically better? How long before they could feasibly put out a new model if they are having issues in pre-training?

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

#713

> Altman said the company will be delaying initiatives like ads, shopping and health agents, and a personal assistant, Pulse, to focus on improving ChatGPT It's so telling that they're delaying these "festures" because the know full well people don't want them.

I don't understand this view. I think most people would be happy to use the best models for free in exchange for seeing ads. That's basically what google and many others successfully do for decades.

Because it will degrade experience entirely, and companies always go too far with it. Advertisement online these days is so intrusive it's a slog to browse without some form of adblocker.

When the AI starts suggesting products or services without being straight up about it, it's not giving you 'knowledge' it's just feeding you whatever it's been paid to say. If that's what you want, power to you.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses. It's easily worth the mon…

Do you happen to know if the AI features of the Google One 5TB plan is equivalent to the 2TB AI pro plan? It is so difficult to understand what actually comes with their plans, and I want to have the 5 TB storage for backups.

From what I can see the 2TB AI pro and 5TB (non AI) are the same, except the google drive storage.

The difference between the AI and non-AI 2TB plan is 1000 AI "credits" (tokens?) vs 200. €120 p/a difference between the two for me which is huge.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

#715

For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses. It's easily worth the mon…

I strongly advise never using Google's Drive storage. They're known to scan all content, and to disable all access if even a single file is "problematic", often misclassified by a bot. If you do use the storage, do backup all your files, and be ready to lose access at any time, with no way to reach any intelligent human.

This has never happened to me in more than 5 years of paying for Google Drive. And my drive is chock full of bootleg books and movies and stuff.

Having said that, an offline backup of a couple of terabytes will rarely break the bank and is not a bad idea at all.

I probably need to get on that.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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> Mozilla is a non-profit that is only sustained by the generous wealthy benefactor (Google) to give the illusion that there is competition in the browser market. Good way of phrasing things. Kinda sad to read this, I tried to react with 'wait there is competition in the browser market', but it is not a great argument to make - without money for using Google as a default search engine, Mozilla would effectively colla…

> Mozilla would effectively collapse. given how bloated it (the org) is, i think that may be a good thing. Return firefox to good old community contributions, and donations from users.

The main issue there is you need someway to pay the engineers in that transitional period the moment Mozilla collapses. Otherwise they leave, find new jobs, and you lose all the expertise and knowledge of the codebase.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Yeah, LLMs are not really good about things that can't be done. At some point you'll be better off with implementing features they hallucinated. Some people with public APIs already took this approach.

>> Support engineer ran customer query through Claude (trained on our public and internal docs) and it very, very confidently made a bunch of stuff up in the response. > Yeah, LLMs are not really good about things that can't be done. From the GP's description, this situation was not a case of "things that can't be done", but instead was the result of a statistically generated document having what should be the expect…

The core issue is likely not with the LLM itself. Given sufficient context, instructions, and purposeful agents, a DAG of these will not produce such consistently wrong results with good grounding context

There are a lot of devils in the details and there are few in the story

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If there's no monetization, the industry will just collapse, except for Google , which is probably what they want.

The Chinese AI industry won't collapse, because it's a strategic priority for the PRC, and heavily subsidized.

up to the point the Ai industry and people's access to it threatens The Party

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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I remember, maybe 2-3 years ago, chuckling at Google with their Bard naming and being late to the game and so on. It seems like I was very wrong and that they caught up quickly enough. I was also wrong in thinking MS doing well, when their recent Copilot moves across Office, Windows, and GitHub have been a joke.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Gemini comes with the 1.99 Google One plan. So I use that

Actually, it comes with the free plan. The $1.99 plan doesn't give you any more AI capabilities. Only at the $19.99/mo plan do you get more. https://one.google.com/about/#compare-plans

Well then the usage is already so useful in Free mode that I didn’t even notice it. “Thinking ” has a meaningful cap. But I have not felt the need to pay for more. I pay for Claude.
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