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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by bitpush »

par wrote: post #151
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Yeah, hate to say but for me a big thing is i still couldn't separate my Gemini chats into folders. I had ChatGPT export some profiles and history and moved it into Gemini, and 1) when Gemini gave me answers i was more pleased but 2) Gemini was a bit more rigorous on guard rails, which seems a bit overly cautious. I was asking some pretty basic non-controversial stuff.

Looks like it is coming.

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-gemini-projects-2-36...

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by dudeinhawaii »

hodgehog11 wrote: post #117
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

That's really fascinating. Every real world use case I've tried on Gemini (especially math-related) absolutely slaughtered the performance of ChatGPT in speed and quality, not even close. As an Android user, the Gemini app is also far superior, since the ChatGPT app still doesn't properly display math equations, among plenty of other bugs.

I have to agree with you but I'll remain a skeptic until the preview tag is dropped. I found Gemini 2.5 Pro to be AMAZING during preview and then it's performance and quality unceremoniously dropped month after month once it went live. Optimizations in favor of speed/costs no doubt but it soured me on jumping ship during preview.

Anthropic pulled something similar with 3.6 initially, with a preview that had massive token output and then a real release with barely half -- which significantly curtails certain use cases.

That said, to-date, Gemini has outperformed GPT-5 and GPT5.1 on any task I've thrown at them together. Too bad Gemini CLI is still barely useful and prone to the same infinite loop issues that have plagued it for over a year.

I think Google has genuinely released a preview of a model that leapfrogs all other models. I want to see if that is what actually makes it to production before I change anything major in my workflows.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by Animats »

achow wrote: post #146

WSJ: Altman said OpenAI would be pushing back work on other initiatives, such as advertising, AI agents for health and shopping, and a personal assistant called Pulse. These plus working with Jony Ive on hardware, makes it sound like they took their eyes off the ball.

> advertising, AI agents for health and shopping,

Um.

- Advertising. "We'll get back to working on your problem in a moment, but first, a word from our sponsor, NordVPN." It's not a good fit.

- Health. Sounds like unlicensed medical practice. That will require a big bribe to Trump.

- Shopping. Can pretty much do that now, in that ChatGPT can call Google. Will Google let OpenAI call Google Search?

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by Andrex »

laluser wrote: post #183
Andrex wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like (to me) that Google's TPU advantage (speculation is Meta is buying a bunch) will be one of the last things to be commoditized, which gives them a larger moat. Normal chips are hard enough to come by for this stuff.

OAI is already working on shipping their own chips.

True, but Google's been making them for 10 years, which subjectively feels like a long time in tech.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by venusenvy47 »

sometimes_all wrote: post #38

For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses. It's easily worth the mon…

Do you happen to know if the AI features of the Google One 5TB plan is equivalent to the 2TB AI pro plan? It is so difficult to understand what actually comes with their plans, and I want to have the 5 TB storage for backups.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by saintfire »

rob74 wrote: post #24
rappatic wrote: post #5

> the company will be delaying initiatives like ads, shopping and health agents, and a personal assistant, Pulse, to focus on improving ChatGPT There's maybe like a few hundred people in the industry who can truly do original work on fundamentally improving a bleeding-edge LLM like ChatGPT, and a whole bunch of people who can do work on ads and shopping. One doesn't seem to get in the way of the other.

I for one would say, the later they add the "ads" feature, the better...

Eh, get the enshittification done sooner than later so people aren't fooled into thinking it's actually worth anyone's time.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by lukan »

HPsquared wrote: post #108
stanford_labrat wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

chatgpt making targeted "recommendations" (read ads) is a nightmare. especially if it's subtle and not disclosed.

It'll be hard to separate them out from the block of prose. It's not like Google results where you can highlight the sponsored ones.

Of course you can. As long as the model itself is not filled with ads, every agentic processing on top can be customly made. One block the true content. The next block the visually marked ad content "personalized" by a different model based on the user profile.

That is not scary to me. What will be scary is the thought, that the lines get more and more blurry and people already emotionally invested in their ChatGPT therapeuts won't all purchase the premium add free (or add less) versions and will have their new therapeut will give them targeted shopping, investment and voting advice.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by numbers_guy »

cmiles8 wrote: post #136

The real code red here is less that Google just one-upped OpenAI but that they demonstrated there’s no moat to be had here. Absent a major breakthrough all the major providers are just going to keep leapfrogging each other in the most expensive race to the bottom of all time. Good for tech, but a horrible business and financial picture for these companies.

Yep, I thought they might have some secret sauce in terms of training techniques, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by jstummbillig »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #156
stephenhandley wrote: post #144

"We’re currently experiencing issues" https://status.openai.com/

That looks pretty... amateurish. I can't imagine selling customer a service that doesn't even hit the third nine

That's because you don't have anything to sell that's high enough in demand.
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