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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by embedding-shape »

golfer wrote: post #109
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

I couldn't even get ChatGPT to let me download code it claimed to program for me. It kept saying the files were ready but refused to let me access or download anything. It was the most basic use case and it totally bombed. I gave up on ChatGPT right then and there. It's amazing how different people have wildly varying experiences with the same product.

It's because comparing their "ChatGPT" experience with your "ChatGPT" experience doesn't tell anyone anything. Unless people start saying what models they're using and prompts, the discussions back and forth about what platform is the best provides zero information to anyone.

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

epiccoleman wrote: post #81
bryanlarsen wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That goal has wildly succeeded -- there are now several well financed companies competing against Google. The goal was supposed to be an ethical competitor as implied by the word "Open" in their name. When Meta and the Chinese are the most ethical of the competitors, you know we're in a bad spot...

Without having followed the issue of "AI Ethics" that closely, Anthropic seems to me to be relatively non-evil, too.

> Anthropic seems to me to be relatively non-evil, too.

Eh... maybe? We don't yet know the results, but they have been proponents of heavy regulatory interventions since forever. Their plan was basically regulatory capture, where they sell their FUD regarding alignment, "safety" and all that jazz. If they succeed that will be evil, IMO.

The best thing that can happen for us regular users is both healthy competition at the SotA level (which we kinda have, with the big4 labs keeping eachother honest) and support for small open source local models (gemmas, llamas, mistrals, qwens, etc).

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by bdbdbdb »

golfer wrote: post #109
TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

I couldn't even get ChatGPT to let me download code it claimed to program for me. It kept saying the files were ready but refused to let me access or download anything. It was the most basic use case and it totally bombed. I gave up on ChatGPT right then and there. It's amazing how different people have wildly varying experiences with the same product.

Since LLMs are non deterministic it's not that amazing. You could ask it the same question as me and we could both get very different conversations and experiences

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by carlosjobim »

sometimes_all wrote: post #38

For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses. It's easily worth the mon…

If we stop for a while and really consider the value of AI tools, then comparing them on price doesn't make much sense. Any of these tools give hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of dollars of value per month to the user. With that in consideration they should mostly be compared on quality.

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Post by cmiles8 »

The real code red here is less that Google just one-upped OpenAI but that they demonstrated there’s no moat to be had here.

Absent a major breakthrough all the major providers are just going to keep leapfrogging each other in the most expensive race to the bottom of all time.

Good for tech, but a horrible business and financial picture for these companies.

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Post by skybrian »

badmonster wrote: post #99

"Code red" feels like theater. Competition is healthy - Google's compute advantage was always going to matter once they got serious. The real question isn't who's ahead this quarter, but whether anyone can maintain a moat when the underlying tech is rapidly commoditizing.

Declaring a “code red” seems to be a direct result of strong competition?

Sure, from an outsider’s perspective, competition is fine.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by binarymax »

TechRemarker wrote: post #84

Heard all the news how Gemini 3 is passing everyone on benchmarks, so quickly tested and still find it a far cry from ChatGPT in real world use when testing questions on both platforms. But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a bett…

Benchmaxxing galore by lots of teams in this space.

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Post by whiplash451 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #62
whiplash451 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you open-source / publish these ideas?

I'm not giving any of these people my ideas for free. Though I did think of making my own UI for some of these services at some point.

arxiv/github or it did not happen

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by whiplash451 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #40
tiahura wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is strategic thinking going to produce novel ideas about neural networks?

The strategic thinking revolves around "how do we put ads in without everyone getting massively pissed?" sort of questions.

Exactly. Which takes a decade and a lot of thinking to get right
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