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OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by piva00 »

sometimes_all wrote: post #38

For regular consumers, Gemini's AI pro plan is a tough one to beat. The chat quality has gotten much better, I am able to share my plan with a couple more people in my family leading to proper individual chat histories, I get 2 TB of extra storage (which is also sharable), plus some really nice stuff like NotebookLM, which has been amazing for doing research. Veo/Nanobanana are nice bonuses. It's easily worth the mon…

Through my work I have access to Google's, Anthropic's, and OpenAI's products, and I agree with you, I barely touch OpenAI's models/products for some reason even though I have total freedom to choose.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by giancarlostoro »

whiplash451 wrote: post #19
giancarlostoro wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had ideas for how to improve all the different chatbots for like 3 years, nobodys has implemented any of them (usually my ideas get implemented in software somehow the devs read my mind, but AI seems to be stuck with the same UI for LLMs), none of these AI shops are ran by people with vision it feels like. Everyone's just remaking a slightly better version of SmarterChild.

Did you open-source / publish these ideas?

I'm not giving any of these people my ideas for free. Though I did think of making my own UI for some of these services at some point.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by giancarlostoro »

simianwords wrote: post #49
giancarlostoro wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had ideas for how to improve all the different chatbots for like 3 years, nobodys has implemented any of them (usually my ideas get implemented in software somehow the devs read my mind, but AI seems to be stuck with the same UI for LLMs), none of these AI shops are ran by people with vision it feels like. Everyone's just remaking a slightly better version of SmarterChild.

I really want a UI that visualises branching. I would like to branch out of specific parts of the responses and continue the conversation there but also keep the original conversation. This seems to be a very standard feature but no one has developed it.

Would require something like snapshotting context windows, but I agree, something like this would be nice.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by tiahura »

cj wrote: post #57
Phelinofist wrote: post #20

IMHO Gemini surpassed ChatGPT by quite a bit - I switched. Gemini is faster, the thinking mode gives me reliably better answers and it has a more "business like" conversation attitude which is refreshing in comparison to the over-the-top informal ChatGPT default.

Is there a replacement for ChatGPT projects in Gemini yet? That's the only ChatGPT feature keeping me from moving to Gemini. Specifically, the ability to upload files and automatically make them available as context for a prompt.

Isn’t that what gems are?

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by techblueberry »

jinushaun wrote: post #59
techblueberry wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Far be it from me to backseat drive for Sam Altman, but is the problem really that the core product needs improvement, or that it needs a better ecosystem? I can't imagine people are choosing they're chatbots based on providing the perfect answers, it's what you can do with it. I would assume google has the advantage because it's built into a tool people already use every day, not because it's nominally "better" at g…

If that was the case, MS would be on top given how entrenched Windows, Office and Outlook are.

I'm not suggesting that OpenAI write shit integrations with existing ecosystems.

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Post by tiahura »

alecco wrote: post #37

OpenAI was founded to hedge against Google dominating AI and with it the future. It makes me sad how that was lost for pipe dreams (AGI) and terrible leadership. I fear a Google dystopia. I hope DeepSeek or somebody else will counter-balance their power.

Doesn’t it seem likely that it all depends on who produces the next AIAYN? Things go one way if it’s an academic, and another way if it’s somebody’s trade secret.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by cj »

tiahura wrote: post #64
cj wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a replacement for ChatGPT projects in Gemini yet? That's the only ChatGPT feature keeping me from moving to Gemini. Specifically, the ability to upload files and automatically make them available as context for a prompt.

Isn’t that what gems are?

Ah, yes indeed. Not sure how I missed that.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by palmotea »

rashidujang wrote: post #11

> There will be a daily call for those tasked with improving the chatbot, the memo said, and Altman encouraged temporary team transfers to speed up development. It's incredible how 50 year-old advice from The Mythical Man-Month are still not being heed. Throw in a knee-jerk solution of "daily call" (sound familiar?) for those involved while they are wading knee-deep through work and you have a perfect storm of terrib…

> It's incredible how 50 year-old advice from The Mythical Man-Month are still not being heed.

A lot of advice is that way, which is why it is advice. If following it were easy everyone would just do it all the time, but if it's hard or there are temptations in the other direction, it has to be endlessly repeated.

Plus, there are always those special-snowflake guys who are "that's good advice for you, but for me it's different!"

Also it wouldn't surprise me if Sam Altman's talents aren't in management or successfully running a large organization, but in machiavellian manipulation and maneuvering.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by piva00 »

amelius wrote: post #58
deelowe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly. Infra will win the race. In this aspect, Google is miles ahead of the competition. Their DC solutions scale very well. Their only risk is that the hardware and low level software stack is EXTREMELY custom. They don't even fully leverage OCP. Having said that, this has never been a major problem for Google over their 20+ years of moving away from OTS parts.

But anyone with enough money can make infra. Maybe not at the scale of Google, but maybe that's not necessary (unless you have a continuous stream of fresh high-quality training data).

If making infra means designing their own silicon to target only inference instead of more general GPUs I can agree with you, otherwise the long-term success is based on how cheap they can run the infra compared to competitors.

Depending on Nvidia for your inference means you'll be price gouged for it, Nvidia has a golden goose for now and will milk it as much as possible.

I don't see how a company without optimised hardware can win in the long run.

Re: OpenAI declares 'code red' as Google catches up in AI race

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Post by tiahura »

another_twist wrote: post #10
skywhopper wrote: post #3

There will be a daily call for those tasked with improving the chatbot, the memo said, and Altman encouraged temporary team transfers to speed up development. Truly brilliant software development management going on here. Daily update meetings and temporary staff transfers. Well known strategies for increasing velocity!

"The results of this quarter were already baked in a couple of quarters ago" - Jeff Bezos Quite right tbh.

Like when OpenAI started experiencing a massive brain drain.
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