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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by pfannkuchen »

komali2 wrote: post #367
pfannkuchen wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really get why people seem convinced that the government is removing protections for all citizens under a smokescreen of illegal immigration handling, as opposed to taking limited and temporary measures to deal with an unusual situation. My current interpretation is that they are fear mongering about violence because they are actually way more racist than they admit publicly, and might want to remove more peo…

> what are the odds that this problem organically appeared and then they happen to be able to take advantage of it? Quite low. Borders weren't open to fabricate an excuse to engage in authoritarianism - the excuse was simply fabricate, whole-cloth, with no basis in reality to justify it. There is no immigration problem in the USA. Large portions of the American economy are dependent on immigration, documented or othe…

> There is no immigration problem in the USA

Well this is a controversial statement. Many people have thought there was an immigration problem in the USA since well before Trump entered politics.

If I pretend to believe that there is definitely no immigration problem, though, then I agree with you. But like I said, that is a controversial statement.

Would you believe that the people who support this just do believe there is an immigration problem? People are allowed to care about things other than the economy and crime stats, by the way.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by unmole »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #237
sharadov wrote: post #129

Indian government is big on pronouncements. It will be a garbage app that most likely will not work, considering the historical incompetence of the Indian government's expertise in all things tech. I am pretty certain Apple and Samsung will pay off someone in the government.

I have this app installed on my phone, and it helped eliminate "digital arrest" scam calls from 5-6 calls per day to maybe one in 2 months. It makes filing an online complaint against the incoming call almost frictionless. Having said that, I don't believe it should be shoved down our throats. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_arrest

> I have this app installed on my phone, and it helped eliminate "digital arrest" scam calls from 5-6 calls per day to maybe one in 2 months.

Yeah, no. Correlation is not causation. Having the app installed doesn't eliminate calls. The app doesn't have the ability to block calls.

Operators like Airtel stepped up and started flagging spam/scam and now warn their users when they recieve a call from flagged numbers.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by Saline9515 »

eru wrote: post #381
Saline9515 wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Legal" protections can disappear in one evening, and then you are left with a centralized system, very practical for population control.

In the US (approximately) everyone has a social security number and a driver's license. In practice, those are equivalent to universal ID, just more annoying to use in everyday life.

Digital ID is also an identification system, social security number isn't. For instance you can't ID people on porn sites using it.

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Post by MangoToupe »

rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

What about freedom from scams?

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Post by nunobrito »

mac-attack wrote: post #226
nunobrito wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is tiresome to repeat every single time the arguments that so many other cyber experts have also mentioned including here on YC. This is quite the common knowledge by now. Kindly use the search box on the bottom of the page.

Can you see how you look like a bad faith actor by making claims and they telling others to research your facts?

It is tiresome to repeat the facts on each thread when this has already been thoroughly documented.

I'm not your personal google search engine.

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Post by blackoil »

nbsande wrote: post #188

> With more than 5 million downloads since its launch, the app has helped block more than 3.7 million stolen or lost mobile phones, while more than 30 million fraudulent connections have also been terminated. I might be reading this wrong but these numbers seem very weird. Did more than half the people who downloaded the app block a stolen phone? And did each person who downloaded the app terminate 6 fraudulent conne…

It's easy just use made up definitions for "helped", "fraudulent" and "terminated".

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Post by UberFly »

RHSeeger wrote: post #379
pfannkuchen wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really get why people seem convinced that the government is removing protections for all citizens under a smokescreen of illegal immigration handling, as opposed to taking limited and temporary measures to deal with an unusual situation. My current interpretation is that they are fear mongering about violence because they are actually way more racist than they admit publicly, and might want to remove more peo…

> I don’t really get why people seem convinced that the government is removing protections for all citizens under a smokescreen of illegal immigration handling, as opposed to taking limited and temporary measures to deal with an unusual situation. Probably because the actions being taken are against people of every category; illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, and naturally born citizens. As has been noted, _anyone…

You may personally have an issue with federal law enforcement detaining people who are in the US illegally, but nobody is being "kidnapped".

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Post by blackoil »

sharadov wrote: post #129

Indian government is big on pronouncements. It will be a garbage app that most likely will not work, considering the historical incompetence of the Indian government's expertise in all things tech. I am pretty certain Apple and Samsung will pay off someone in the government.

not work will also mean it will siphon all the data and then leak it to hackers from around the world.
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