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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by theglenn88_ »

Angostura wrote: post #94
lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

Is it your view that no-one should ever be arrested for anything they say, in any context? > There has to be a line. Where do you draw the line?

I'd like to think that we all agree that you would be arrested for saying things in person (hate crimes, etc) would be the same things you'd be arrested for saying online... i'd place the line about there.

However, there are cases which do cross the line... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dj1zlvxglo

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by snapcaster »

nunobrito wrote: post #76
numpad0 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... secure boot? I don't understand "just load GrapheneOS" sentiments. It only runs on extremely specific flagship devices with explicit features that allow it that are out of financial and technical reach for >99.9% of population of Earth and it still fully relies on AOSP. It's an escape hatch for mice. Or is it really not that way?

It is a dodgy Android distro for several reasons. LineageOS has no such shenanigans nor has a pattern of suspicious funding.

you're all over this thread saying this, can you link an article or at least explain what you mean?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by markdown »

lez wrote: post #60

It is happening, in spite many won't really deeply believe. Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online. It's happening, and it's time we say no. It's uncomfortable, but we need to do it en masse, right now. Do not buy backdoored hardware, help others get rid of the backdoors, use anonymous technology to organize protests. There has to be a line.

I've seen what's said online these days. Open racism and bigotry. This has always been the case but now it's done without shame by prominent people and influencers using their real account. Twitter is as bad as Stormfront these days.

We absolutely need to police hate speech.

> There has to be a line.

There is no line at all these days, with open hatred displayed. Fascism is on the rise across the world off the back of the hatred that's produced on social media.

> Every day 33 brits are arrested for what they say online.

They must be giving them tea and crumpets before releasing them to generate more hate online because it clearly isn't working.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by croes »

rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

Living in a society already means giving up more than a grain of personal freedom.

Try entering a store naked.

The real deal is the balance between loss and gain

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by ridiculous_leke »

rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls

Will take decades if not more than a century to implement in India. Let alone old people, even the boomer generation is immensely tech illiterate.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by dingnuts »

satvikpendem wrote: post #112
rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls Good one. Do you see how dumb the average consumer is? They don't know or care even if you try to educate them.

I shouldn't have to accept government surveillance just because 15% of the population is functionally illiterate. We should have support structures for those people as a society, but "dumb people exist" is a fucking horrible argument for why I should have my freedom restricted

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by eptcyka »

croes wrote: post #125
rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom. Living in a society already means giving up more than a grain of personal freedom. Try entering a store naked. The real deal is the balance between loss and gain

Ye, and this move is not balanced.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by sharadov »

Indian government is big on pronouncements.

It will be a garbage app that most likely will not work, considering the historical incompetence of the Indian government's expertise in all things tech.

I am pretty certain Apple and Samsung will pay off someone in the government.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by et-al »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #52
jonplackett wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple need India though. They’re moving a lot of their manufacturing there to derisk from a China. Also, they gave in to the CCP and always say ‘we obey the laws of the countries in which we operate’. Apple is, at the end of the day, just a business.

> Apple need India though. They’re moving a lot of their manufacturing there to derisk from a China That creates obligations both ways. Put another way, Apple is an increasingly-major employer in India. The real carrot New Delhi has is its growing middle class. The real carrot Apple has is its aspirational branding. > they gave in to the CCP and always say ‘we obey the laws of the countries in which we operate' Apple…

I fear (Apple) will do something that allows the government to do what it wants (with a bit more work) without explicitly installing something.

For example, with the UK encryption debacle, Apple removed Advanced Data Protections (e2e encryption) for iCloud users in the UK. So users' notes, photos, emails are possibly open.

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