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That's Equality not Equity.
That's Inclusion
"We don't care who you are, anyone can contribute to our project as long as they're good enough."
That's not diversity, nor equity , nor inclusion.
Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
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Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
#62Seems interesting but unfortunately might be a bit political? > It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Complaining about DEI is a marker for a specific ideology. I see this and think great, a project of people who want to be allowed to "just crack jokes" but then get super defensive when they get called out on it. It also makes me instantly suspect that their ejection from the project f…
What's a DEI in this context, please.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
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> What they didn't count on was the batshit conspiracy theorist who'd been submitting hundreds of patches to XFree86 that they'd just been ignoring It's worth noting that a bunch of those patches are just straight up broken and seemingly untested.
Thus your choices for who will maintain Xorg: * The people who made it who also want to murder it * The crazy guy, who knows enough to be useful, but dangerous * Yourself None of these choices are good, and the Xorg developers know that. They're super-stoked about how much compelled Wayland adoption they're going to get.
What I see in freedesktop is a loose association of people trying to make the best libre display server ecosystem they know how to make, and they've collectively come to the conclusion that they're able to make better software by starting from scratch than by patching away at the X11 code base from the 80s. And otherwise it's just a boring standardization committee for protocols.
It sounds like you're seeing something much more sinister for some reason, and I don't understand why.
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
#64Seems interesting but unfortunately might be a bit political? > It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Complaining about DEI is a marker for a specific ideology. I see this and think great, a project of people who want to be allowed to "just crack jokes" but then get super defensive when they get called out on it. It also makes me instantly suspect that their ejection from the project f…
The problem is: * The people who make XFree86/Xorg, GNOME and KDE are all part of the same FreeDesktop.Org club. They have a (not so) secret plan to completely ditch X11 and replace it with the thing they've been dicking about with for 17 years: Wayland. * Wayland's still nowhere near X11 replacement quality, and in several cases, they actually think they've done you a solid by taking away useful things X11 can do, l…
Small but a crucial correction:
By XFree86, you meant X.org.
XFree86 was the first X11 implementation used by linux distributions from 90's and 00's. Then, in mid 2000's FreeDesktop guys forked it as X.org and convinced all linux distributions to switch to it.
...(now comes the rant part)...
...only to declare X11 as old and unmaintainable and announce Wayland just a few years later.
Also note that they twisted the situation very well to their benefit as part of Wayland's PR campaign saying "X11 developers are the ones who's developing Wayland", making people believe as if they've been developing it for decades even though they've been only working on X.org for the last few years. Unfortunately this myth still persists to this day. Whole Wayland thing was actually a textbook case of CADT [0] looked retrospectively but they fooled us all masterfully at the time.
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
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You think like this because you have the privilege of not being affected by discrimination. It's not enough to "not be a racist". You are being downvoted because of this, and thinking everyone but you is immature for this conversation just highlights this.
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Sorry to break your delusion, but there has never been true equality on the internet, it's all just different bubbles, with different discriminations.
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
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So this is a funny example you brought up, especially in terms of a GUI related project. You know what a system like that should take into account? People with non-standard handedness! For that to happen, you may want diversity in at least your test team, and inclusivity for people with different or limited physical abilities. Because swapping the mouse buttons around or making different keyboard mappings useful and…
Nope, I do not want the UI to be tailored to left-handed people, I want it to abide by whatever standards there are so I know where to find whatever element I happen to need. I'll learn how to use the right-handed version because that is what I will be confronted with in this right-handed world. I'm in the minority and I don't expect the world to accommodate me. I'm left-handed and I will use whatever tools I can get…
> Nope, I do not want the UI to be tailored to left-handed people
> I'm left-handed and I will use whatever tools I can get my hands on to the fullest of my ability.
I'm not sure I can get you to look beyond what you yourself can do, but try to consider these groups: older people who will not learn precise right hand movement anymore, people with temporary or permanent right hand injury, people with no right hand, people with missing right hand fingers, etc.
And consider what do you actually lose from your side if the UI can be tailored to dominant-left-hand usage.
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
#67"Moles from bigTech …" What the what now?
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Sorry to break your delusion, but there has never been true equality on the internet, it's all just different bubbles, with different discriminations.
keep telling me my lived experience, please. I have no idea how I lived before you told me what happened in my live.
If there was discrimination it was because you didn’t contribute, or you opened the discussion. Doxxing in the 90s wasn't a meaningful risk, and social networks were small and largely isolated.
the condescension here is palpable. as if you know more? thanks for your sacrifice: enlightened one.
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry to break your delusion, but there has never been true equality on the internet, it's all just different bubbles, with different discriminations.
keep telling me my lived experience, please. I have no idea how I lived before you told me what happened in my live. If there was discrimination it was because you didn’t contribute, or you opened the discussion. Doxxing in the 90s wasn't a meaningful risk, and social networks were small and largely isolated. the condescension here is palpable. as if you know more? thanks for your sacrifice: enlightened one.
Hence the "delusion". You are just a typical case of something many here experienced, including myself.
Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups
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The problem is: * The people who make XFree86/Xorg, GNOME and KDE are all part of the same FreeDesktop.Org club. They have a (not so) secret plan to completely ditch X11 and replace it with the thing they've been dicking about with for 17 years: Wayland. * Wayland's still nowhere near X11 replacement quality, and in several cases, they actually think they've done you a solid by taking away useful things X11 can do, l…
Small but a crucial correction: By XFree86, you meant X.org. XFree86 was the first X11 implementation used by linux distributions from 90's and 00's. Then, in mid 2000's FreeDesktop guys forked it as X.org and convinced all linux distributions to switch to it. ...(now comes the rant part)... ...only to declare X11 as old and unmaintainable and announce Wayland just a few years later. Also note that they twisted the s…
Thanks, I've changed my comments to say Xorg.
However, in that potted history, let's not forget a lot of progress and advancement that Keith Packard and the FreeDesktop.org initiative did make. Standardising on autotools/make rather than the obnoxious imake, creating fontconfig rather than requiring arcane settings and conversion software to add fonts, creating the RandR extension and supporting hotplugging monitors and autodetection; I can't remember the last time I had to add a modeline manually to a config file!
But the problem is the current Xorg developers want to kill X11, however short their tenure on it was. If they choose to leave, there aren't other Xorg developers waiting in the wings, apart from the crazy guy.