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Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by amiga386 »

mort96 wrote: post #48
amiga386 wrote: post #44

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The problem is: * The people who make XFree86/Xorg, GNOME and KDE are all part of the same FreeDesktop.Org club. They have a (not so) secret plan to completely ditch X11 and replace it with the thing they've been dicking about with for 17 years: Wayland. * Wayland's still nowhere near X11 replacement quality, and in several cases, they actually think they've done you a solid by taking away useful things X11 can do, l…

> What they didn't count on was the batshit conspiracy theorist who'd been submitting hundreds of patches to XFree86 that they'd just been ignoring It's worth noting that a bunch of those patches are just straight up broken and seemingly untested.

Thus your choices for who will maintain Xorg:

* The people who made it who also want to murder it

* The crazy guy, who knows enough to be useful, but dangerous

* Yourself

None of these choices are good, and the Xorg developers know that. They're super-stoked about how much compelled Wayland adoption they're going to get.

Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by [deleted] »

dijit wrote: post #42
gchamonlive wrote: post #34

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You think like this because you have the privilege of not being affected by discrimination. It's not enough to "not be a racist". You are being downvoted because of this, and thinking everyone but you is immature for this conversation just highlights this.

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Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by tosti »

mort96 wrote: post #15
voidUpdate wrote: post #8

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That's Inclusion

No, it's not. It's a statement opposing explicit exclusion, but that's not the same as inclusion. EDIT to make this comment a bit more useful and productive: When people talk about "inclusion" in a DEI context, they typically mean making an active effort to include a diverse set of people. Outreach programs, looking at the community to identify things which drive away groups of people, that sort of thing. It can mean…

This. Inclusion for everyone who adheres to any kind of code is really just a cabal with different feathers.

Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

komali2 wrote: post #2

Seems interesting but unfortunately might be a bit political? > It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Complaining about DEI is a marker for a specific ideology. I see this and think great, a project of people who want to be allowed to "just crack jokes" but then get super defensive when they get called out on it. It also makes me instantly suspect that their ejection from the project f…

DEI = Not political

Anti-DEI = Political

That’s not a fair standard. Both are politics.

Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by tosti »

gchamonlive wrote: post #34
dijit wrote: post #16

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You think like this because you have the privilege of not being affected by discrimination. It's not enough to "not be a racist". You are being downvoted because of this, and thinking everyone but you is immature for this conversation just highlights this.

I literally didn't get a job last week because I'm white and have a common white surname. They didn't ask anything technical at all.

Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by lawn »

dijit wrote: post #16
komali2 wrote: post #2

Seems interesting but unfortunately might be a bit political? > It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Complaining about DEI is a marker for a specific ideology. I see this and think great, a project of people who want to be allowed to "just crack jokes" but then get super defensive when they get called out on it. It also makes me instantly suspect that their ejection from the project f…

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In Nazi germany only one third actively supported their policies and one third opposed it. The remaining third didn't care and they were enablers.

If you don't actively oppose discrimination then you're indirectly supporting it by being a passive enabler.

Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by hagbard_c »

viraptor wrote: post #32
hagbard_c wrote: post #20

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Being free of DEI (et. al.) is a good thing, it is just sad that something like that is a noteworthy policy. It comes down to stating that you don't care whether contributors happen to be left- or right-handed: well, duh, of course you don't care and it would be silly to insist on having 'equal handedness representation' as a policy for a project.

So this is a funny example you brought up, especially in terms of a GUI related project. You know what a system like that should take into account? People with non-standard handedness! For that to happen, you may want diversity in at least your test team, and inclusivity for people with different or limited physical abilities. Because swapping the mouse buttons around or making different keyboard mappings useful and…

Nope, I do not want the UI to be tailored to left-handed people, I want it to abide by whatever standards there are so I know where to find whatever element I happen to need. I'll learn how to use the right-handed version because that is what I will be confronted with in this right-handed world. I'm in the minority and I don't expect the world to accommodate me. I'm left-handed and I will use whatever tools I can get my hands on to the fullest of my ability.

Accessibility is a different matter, not related to handedness - being left-handed is not considered to be a handicap. Adding accessibility features does not mean the team needs to include people with whatever handicap those features are tailored to though, they just need to gather enough input from people who need these features so they know what to implement. This does not mean the team should not include someone who happens to be blind (etc.), if that person is willing and able to contribute he's as welcome as anyone else.

Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by amiga386 »

mort96 wrote: post #28
hagbard_c wrote: post #20

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Being free of DEI (et. al.) is a good thing, it is just sad that something like that is a noteworthy policy. It comes down to stating that you don't care whether contributors happen to be left- or right-handed: well, duh, of course you don't care and it would be silly to insist on having 'equal handedness representation' as a policy for a project.

A community can not care whether contributors happen to be left- or right-handed. But if the community keeps making jokes about how left-handed people are inferior, there's probably not gonna be many left-handed people in the community. Or maybe the project's infrastructure or documentation is somehow more difficult to use for left-handed people, or assumes shared experiences that's common among right-handed people b…

Ironically, X11 supports "diverse" people better than Wayland does.

https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-d...

Re: Xlibre is a fork of the Xorg Xserver with lots of code cleanups

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Post by dijit »

lawn wrote: post #56
dijit wrote: post #16

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In Nazi germany only one third actively supported their policies and one third opposed it. The remaining third didn't care and they were enablers. If you don't actively oppose discrimination then you're indirectly supporting it by being a passive enabler.

I don’t fucking care about Nazi Germany, I see facism from both ends of the US political spectrum honestly.

“do what I say the way I tell you to do it or else you're a nazi sympathiser at best” is a super compelling argument by the way. Good going.

Grow up the lot of you. We all have to learn to live together.

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