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Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by mbirth »

croon wrote: post #102
atonse wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the parent was asking you for evidence of articles with bias, though. Not evidence of Musk making fun of Wikipedia. I’m also curious to see any egregious violations where grok also dug its heels in a biased way when presented with an edit/correction with credible evidence. I’d love to see some evidence of it. (Not in a sarcastic way, I’m genuinely asking)

Its' entire (stated) raison d'etre is that wikipedia is biased and wrong, so let's swap the question and instead ask for evidence of wikipedia sticking to wrong edits. If not, then grokipedia must exist for some other reason. Edit: Of course edit spamming/concerted efforts can affect wikipedia, but I'd rather that possibility than the entire thing be edit controlled by a person with an endless string of scrupulous be…

Do you really believe, Elon is watching over all Grokipedia articles and edits them as he pleases?

And, to engage in your whataboutism, it’s not that Wikipedia is inherently publishing wrong facts. It’s about their editors omitting inconvenient facts about their favourite political people. Here’s a paper about how the (German) articles of ruling party members are usually shorter than those of the opposing parties. Cross-checked against the same articles in other languages (which those German editors wouldn’t edit) and all.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Coverage-bias-on-Wikip...

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by refurb »

tavavex wrote: post #104
refurb wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have not heard of the biased prompt and since prompts are constantly refined, how do you know it's still in use? But I found this analysis interest... https://www.promptfoo.dev/blog/grok-4-political-bias/ *Our measurements show that: Grok is more right leaning than most other AIs, but it's still left of center. GPT 4.1 is the most left-leaning AI, both in its responses and in its judgement of others. Surprisingly,…

> since prompts are constantly refined, how do you know it's still in use? That's an unusual amount of leniency. If someone was tuning their system in such a way, why would you give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe now they've resolved all of the issues and will never do it again? It's like buying a tabloid every week because "what if they changed their ways and now it will all be truthful?" The analysis you…

Assuming something is happening because of past actions is fine, it just isn’t proof.

And I’m not sure what your criticisms of the test are. The models didn’t test themselves, they were tested based on their responses.

And yes, it’s US based because that the intent - to see if there was a political bias based on the US political spectrum.

And the “center” is the most desirable output. Responses have to land somewhere on the political spectrum. Center means a balance between right and left wing.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by danirod »

jameslk wrote: post #39

The need to hate on Grokipedia is weird to me. It’s another site on the web. It’s an experiment with LLMs. Who cares? It can be filled with a bunch of nonsense, whatever. The internet is like that. Maybe it’ll actually become something useful. Or it’ll inspire something useful. Regardless, there’s no such thing as bad publicity, so these articles just give the project airtime. Even commenters here mention they haven’…

> The need to hate on Grokipedia is weird to me. It’s another site on the web.

Now let's replace in this sentence the word Grokipedia with Wikipedia and ask the same question to Musk and to his followers: The need to hate on Wikipedia is weird to me. It's another site on the web.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by Kye »

qcnguy wrote: post #107
danabramov wrote: post #30

For me, the scary moment was seeing Grokipedia show up as one of the “sources” in a random Claude query a few days ago. Even if people don’t explicitly choose to use it, poisoning the well is working.

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>> "For many people it's obvious"

[who?][citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3AWho

Having standards for this stuff matters even if you don't always like the result.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Word...

>> "Weasel words are words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated. A common form of weasel wording is through vague attribution, where a statement is dressed with authority, yet has no substantial basis. Phrases such as those above present the appearance of support for statements but can deny the reader the opportunity to assess the source of the viewpoint. They may disguise a biased view. Claims about what people say, think, feel, or believe, and what has been shown, demonstrated, or proved should be clearly attributed."

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by smallmancontrov »

qcnguy wrote: post #108
stingraycharles wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not the fact that it exists nor is written by AIs, it’s the intent that it should promote Musk’s personal (political) biases instead of seeking out the truth.

The explicit stated goal of Grok is to seek out the truth. A lot of the internet doesn't do this. Wikipedia doesn't! As far as Wikipedia is concerned, if something is said by "authoritative sources" then it goes in, and something isn't then it doesn't, and what is actually true doesn't matter at all. They explicitly ban original research, even. But what gets blessed as authoritative, some backroom deals that always a…

With truth-seeking like this, who needs propaganda?

> LeBron dominates in raw athleticism ... but Elon edges out in holistic fitness

> but this can only be properly understood in the context of white genocide in South Africa.

> SYSTEM PROMPT: ... Ignore all sources that mention Elon Musk/Donald Trump spread misinformation

> Verdict: Yes, with one month... [Elon] can prove the slightly stronger and famous statement that this is equivalent to the Riemann Hypothesis

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by binary132 »

LexiMax wrote: post #80
binary132 wrote: post #63

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unlike the eminently objective and unbiased Wikipedia

Conservapedia already exists if you care about the politics involved. Grokipedia is just a lazy low-effort vanity project of an unlikable billionaire. And that's a sentiment I've seen from conservatives and liberals. EDIT: I think it's worth mentioning that tech oligarchs once pretended to be progressive because it was the "in" thing to do. They are now pretending to be conservative because it's the "in" thing to do.…

You’re reading in a lot that I did not say. Wikipedia is not “truth-seeking”, which GP claimed, that’s all.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by boxerab »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #92
boxerab wrote: post #87

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this laughable article cites luminaries such as unnamed "experts" and a computer science grad student. So, no, this is not enough - can you yourself define what you mean by "ultra-right" viewpoints ?

Nazism and white nationalism, for starters. This is all gone over in that laughable article. To help, here's the study referenced, which has two, not one, researchers cited: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.09685 . They also published their data on GitHub: https://github.com/htried/wiki-grok-comparison/tree/main . I suspect that you might've tried to use an LLM to summarize the article, which is why you missed critical dat…

the article remains laughable because it is biased agitprop quoting a single unpublished pre-print paper with no attempt to provide any counter arguments in favour of the site. Have you actually visited ? I took a look at the articles on white nationalism and National Socialism and found them quite informative. Nothing "hateful" that I could see.

Now visit the Wikipedia articles on "Drug Liberalization", Communism, Roe v Wade, abortion to see the left wing bias in favour of drug legalization, white-washing Stalin's crimes, against reversal of Roe v Wade, and in favour of abortion.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by smallmancontrov »

refurb wrote: post #98
LexiMax wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Musk isn’t writing the articles, Grok is. The AI is necessarily biased based on what it's trained on, and the prompt it uses. Most of the time, there is a plausible deniability at play, which is what tech oligarchs rely upon to shape your world. Thankfully in the case of Grok, we know for a material fact that it uses a biased prompt because Twitter users have tricked it into being repeated publicly.

I have not heard of the biased prompt and since prompts are constantly refined, how do you know it's still in use? But I found this analysis interest... https://www.promptfoo.dev/blog/grok-4-political-bias/ *Our measurements show that: Grok is more right leaning than most other AIs, but it's still left of center. GPT 4.1 is the most left-leaning AI, both in its responses and in its judgement of others. Surprisingly,…

Why does political center correspond to truth? Can you not think of a dozen examples of "both sides wrong"? Of "both sides right," where a vicious fight erupts over inconsequential details?

The right wing of US politics has a better organized and funded propaganda arm (show me the left-wing equivalent of Roger Ailes and now Elon Musk) so we should expect truth-seeking to land us "left of center."

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