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Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by rtkwe »

jameslk wrote: post #39

The need to hate on Grokipedia is weird to me. It’s another site on the web. It’s an experiment with LLMs. Who cares? It can be filled with a bunch of nonsense, whatever. The internet is like that. Maybe it’ll actually become something useful. Or it’ll inspire something useful. Regardless, there’s no such thing as bad publicity, so these articles just give the project airtime. Even commenters here mention they haven’…

Well Musk has said his goal is to use this edited biased version as part of the training data for Grok to "eliminate bias" in the training data because Grok keeps contradicting him. The problems isn't the page in isolation it's the project it's a part of.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by LexiMax »

refurb wrote: post #60
stingraycharles wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not the fact that it exists nor is written by AIs, it’s the intent that it should promote Musk’s personal (political) biases instead of seeking out the truth.

How so? Musk isn’t writing the articles, Grok is. And as far as I’ve seen, Grok doesn’t spit out information all that different from the other LLMs.

> Musk isn’t writing the articles, Grok is.

The AI is necessarily biased based on what it's trained on, and the prompt it uses. Most of the time, there is a plausible deniability at play, which is what tech oligarchs rely upon to shape your world.

Thankfully in the case of Grok, we know for a material fact that it uses a biased prompt because Twitter users have tricked it into being repeated publicly.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by rtkwe »

maxdo wrote: post #69

I know nothing about elon's wikipedia, but... Wikipedia has increasingly become a commercial project that exploits nationalistic sentiments. Take the Israel-Palestine or Ukraine-Russia conflicts as examples—you'll find completely contradictory articles on the same topics across different language editions, each reflecting opposing viewpoints. Many of these editors are sponsored by governments, creating an entire ecos…

It's not surprising or new, the English articles are usually the most thoroughly vetted and watched because that's the majority of wikipedia editor's language so the other languages are more vulnerable to national tinging of the article.

It's still far better imo than Grok which is an explicitly biased project driven by Musk's personal issues with wikipedia and it's resistance in english to rightwing edit biasing. It's a suped up version of the old conservapedia project just with Grok driving the edits instead and it's being picked up in other LLMs as a citable source.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by rtkwe »

mbirth wrote: post #66
stingraycharles wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not the fact that it exists nor is written by AIs, it’s the intent that it should promote Musk’s personal (political) biases instead of seeking out the truth.

Do you have any evidence that Grokipedia is actually biased? Most articles are merely their Wikipedia counterpart filtered through the Grok LLM.

Musks own tweets and words should be more than enough:

Wokipedia: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1972991279706636437

Cleaning up a "mountain of woke bullshit" models are trained on: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1972991279706636437

He hasn't been subtle in the goal of this rewriting of wikipedia.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by boxerab »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #79
boxerab wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can you a) define "ultra-right" viewpoints and b) give some references for these views on Grokipedia ?

I cited an article in my comment to back up my claims. The paper it references is publicly available and goes into more detail. Is that not enough?

this laughable article cites luminaries such as unnamed "experts" and a computer science grad student. So, no, this is not enough - can you yourself define what you mean by "ultra-right" viewpoints ?

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by siliconc0w »

eru wrote: post #40
siliconc0w wrote: post #8

It's illuminating to see how the Twitter Grok and the Web Grok differ. Twitter Grok clearly either has a different system prompt or some fine-tuning to effectively evade saying anything negative about the administration or Elon. To the point where it will say Elon is more athletic than LeBron ( https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk... ). This is going to be a pretty big problem with both closed…

> If you manipulate your AI to deliberately push political preferences, that is your right I guess but IMO I'd appreciate some regulation saying you should be required to disclose that under penalty of perjury. People (and especially companies) are already permitted to make legally enforceable guarantees and statements about their AI. Why do we need extra machinery? You can assume that anyone who doesn't make such st…

xAI is private (and more and more companies are staying private for this and other reasons).

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by atonse »

throw0101a wrote: post #49
atonse wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is there any reason to not treat this as Wikipedia? As in, just suggest a correction?

>> I've been reading a lot of Don Delillo lately and so I wanted to see how Grokipedia page on him fares. > But is there any reason to not treat this as Wikipedia? As in, just suggest a correction? How? I see no "Edit" link on the article: * https://grokipedia.com/page/Don_DeLillo as compared to: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_DeLillo There is no "Talk" page as well, so if your change is 'contentious', how is co…

Yeah I’ve seen the ability to suggest edits to grok and you can provide supporting evidence.

I haven’t done it myself though. But I’ve seen screenshots on X showing grok responding to the edits.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by eru »

siliconc0w wrote: post #88
eru wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you manipulate your AI to deliberately push political preferences, that is your right I guess but IMO I'd appreciate some regulation saying you should be required to disclose that under penalty of perjury. People (and especially companies) are already permitted to make legally enforceable guarantees and statements about their AI. Why do we need extra machinery? You can assume that anyone who doesn't make such st…

xAI is private (and more and more companies are staying private for this and other reasons).

So? They could set up an entity to take that liability, if they wanted.

> You can assume that anyone who doesn't make such strong statements took the easy way out.

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