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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by zipy124 »

shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

Honestly the biggest failing is just SEO spam sites got too good at defeating the algorithm. The amount of bloody listicles or quora nonsense or backlink farming websties that come up in search is crazy.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by greenicon »

kuschku wrote: post #102
oniony wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot remember ever reading a book where there was a space around the dashes.

That depends on the language — whereas German puts spaces around —, English afaik usually doesn’t. Similarly, French puts spaces before and after ? ! while English and German only put spaces afterwards. [EDIT: I originally wrote that French treats . , ! ? specially. In reality, french only treats ? and ! specially.]

In German you use en-dashes with spaces, whereas in English it’s em-dashes without spaces. Some people dislike em-dashes in English though and use en-dashes with spaces as well.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by MadnessASAP »

actionfromafar wrote: post #107
juvoly wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I guess that analogously, we might find that X years after some future AI content production ban, we could similarly start ignoring the low background token issue?

We used a rather low number of atmospheric bombs, while we are carpet bombing the internet every day with AI marketing copy.

The eternal September has finally ended. We've now entered the AI winter. It promises to be long, dark, and full of annoyances.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by maplethorpe »

fragmede wrote: post #74
maplethorpe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really here to stay? If the wheels fells off the investment train and ChatGPT etc. disappeared tomorrow, how many people would be running inference locally? I suspect most people either wouldn't meet the hardware requirements or would be too frustrated with the slow token generation to bother. My mom certainly wouldn't be talking to it anymore. Remember that a year or two ago, people were saying something simil…

Maybe you don't love your mom enough to do this, but if ChatGPT disappeared tomorrow and it was something she really used and loved, I wouldn't think twice before buying her a rig powerful enough to run a quantized downlodable model on, though I'm not current on which model or software would be the best for her purposes. I get that your relationship with your mother, or your financial situation might be different tho…

> Maybe you don't love your mom enough to do this

I actually love my mom enough not to do this.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by keiferski »

Projects like this remind me of a plot point in the Cyberpunk 2077 game universe. The "first internet" got too infected with dangerous AIs, so much so that a massive firewall needed to be built, and a "new" internet was built that specifically kept out the harmful AIs.

(Or something like that: it's been awhile since I played the game, and I don't remember the specific details of the story.)

It makes me wonder if a new human-only internet will need to be made at some point. It's mostly sci-fi speculation at this point, and you'd really need to hash out the details, but I am thinking of something like a meatspace-first network that continually verifies your humanity in order for you to retain access. That doesn't solve the copy-paste problem, or a thousand other ones, but I'm just thinking out loud here.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by [deleted] »

zipy124 wrote: post #151
shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

Honestly the biggest failing is just SEO spam sites got too good at defeating the algorithm. The amount of bloody listicles or quora nonsense or backlink farming websties that come up in search is crazy.

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Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by jascha_eng »

keiferski wrote: post #155

Projects like this remind me of a plot point in the Cyberpunk 2077 game universe. The "first internet" got too infected with dangerous AIs, so much so that a massive firewall needed to be built, and a "new" internet was built that specifically kept out the harmful AIs. (Or something like that: it's been awhile since I played the game, and I don't remember the specific details of the story.) It makes me wonder if a ne…

The problem really is that it is impossible to verify that the content someone uploads came from their mind and not a computer program. And at some point probably all content is at least influenced by AI. The real issue is also not that I used chatgpt to look up a synonym or asked a question before writing an article, the problem is when I copy paste the content and claim I wrote it.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by black3r »

Maken wrote: post #125
shevy-java wrote: post #119

> This is a search tool that will only return content created before ChatGPT's first public release on November 30, 2022. The problem is that Google's search engine - but, oddly enough, ALL search engines - got worse before that already. I noticed that search engines got worse several years before 2022. So, AI further decreased the quality, but the quality had a downwards trend already, as it was. There are some atte…

There is also the fact that automatically generated content predates ChatGPT by a lot. By around 2020 most Google searches already returned lots of SEO-optimized pages made from scrapped content or keyword soups made by rudimentary language models or markov chains.

Well there's also the fact that GPT-3 API was released in June 2020 and its writing capabilities were essentially on par with ChatGPT initial release. It was just a bit harder to use, because it wasn't yet trained to follow instructions, it only worked as a very good "autocomplete" model, so prompting was a bit "different" and you couldn't do stuff like "rewrite this existing article in your own words" at all, but if you just wanted to write some bullshit SEO spam from scratch it was already as good as ChatGPT would be 2 years later.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by defraudbah »

stinos wrote: post #132
defraudbah wrote: post #88

ChatGPT also returns content only created before ChatGPT release, which is why I still have to google damn it!

Is that still the case? And even if so how is it going to avoid keeping it like that in the future? Are they going to stop scraping new content, or are they going to filter it with a tool which recognizes their own content?

it's a known problem in ML, I think grok solved it partially and chatGPT uses another model on top to search web like suggested below. Hence MLOps field appeared, to solve models management

I find it a bit annoying to navigate between hallucinations and outdated content. Too much invalid information to filter out.

Re: Search tool that only returns content created before ChatGPT's public release

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Post by wongarsu »

black3r wrote: post #158
Maken wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also the fact that automatically generated content predates ChatGPT by a lot. By around 2020 most Google searches already returned lots of SEO-optimized pages made from scrapped content or keyword soups made by rudimentary language models or markov chains.

Well there's also the fact that GPT-3 API was released in June 2020 and its writing capabilities were essentially on par with ChatGPT initial release. It was just a bit harder to use, because it wasn't yet trained to follow instructions, it only worked as a very good "autocomplete" model, so prompting was a bit "different" and you couldn't do stuff like "rewrite this existing article in your own words" at all, but if…

Also the full release of GPT-2 in late 2019. While GPT-2 wasn't really "good" at writing, it was more than good enough to make SEO spam
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