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Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by atonse »

rtkwe wrote: post #86
mbirth wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence that Grokipedia is actually biased? Most articles are merely their Wikipedia counterpart filtered through the Grok LLM.

Musks own tweets and words should be more than enough: Wokipedia: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1972991279706636437 Cleaning up a "mountain of woke bullshit" models are trained on: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1972991279706636437 He hasn't been subtle in the goal of this rewriting of wikipedia.

I think the parent was asking you for evidence of articles with bias, though. Not evidence of Musk making fun of Wikipedia.

I’m also curious to see any egregious violations where grok also dug its heels in a biased way when presented with an edit/correction with credible evidence.

I’d love to see some evidence of it. (Not in a sarcastic way, I’m genuinely asking)

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by femiagbabiaka »

boxerab wrote: post #87
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cited an article in my comment to back up my claims. The paper it references is publicly available and goes into more detail. Is that not enough?

this laughable article cites luminaries such as unnamed "experts" and a computer science grad student. So, no, this is not enough - can you yourself define what you mean by "ultra-right" viewpoints ?

Nazism and white nationalism, for starters. This is all gone over in that laughable article. To help, here's the study referenced, which has two, not one, researchers cited: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.09685. They also published their data on GitHub: https://github.com/htried/wiki-grok-comparison/tree/main.

I suspect that you might've tried to use an LLM to summarize the article, which is why you missed critical data and got some of the basic facts about its sourcing incorrect. I'm a fan of using LLM's to speed up research, but you should probably pick a different model next time.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by michaelhoney »

jameslk wrote: post #39

The need to hate on Grokipedia is weird to me. It’s another site on the web. It’s an experiment with LLMs. Who cares? It can be filled with a bunch of nonsense, whatever. The internet is like that. Maybe it’ll actually become something useful. Or it’ll inspire something useful. Regardless, there’s no such thing as bad publicity, so these articles just give the project airtime. Even commenters here mention they haven’…

It's not some random experiment. I you made it, sure. But when _Elon Musk_ does it, for his own stupid reasons, it's important that we understand and push back against it.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by notsure2 »

mbirth wrote: post #66
stingraycharles wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not the fact that it exists nor is written by AIs, it’s the intent that it should promote Musk’s personal (political) biases instead of seeking out the truth.

Do you have any evidence that Grokipedia is actually biased? Most articles are merely their Wikipedia counterpart filtered through the Grok LLM.

Grok says Elon is fitter than LeBron James. It's billed as an intelligence but that belies the hidden editorial layer, secretly directing it's output.

Anyone trusting this is deeply misguided.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by wahnfrieden »

echelon wrote: post #22
TruffleLabs wrote: post #2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grokipedia Vs https://grokipedia.com/page/Wikipedia

Wow. This is so biased. And it's just the first month. > Joe Biden > These outcomes, alongside visible signs of cognitive impairment that prompted his July 2024 decision to forgo reelection, defined a presidency criticized for prioritizing progressive spending over fiscal and security prudence. https://grokipedia.com/page/Joe_Biden > Donald Trump > His first term featured economic policies such as the Tax Cuts and Jo…

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Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by tastyface »

jameslk wrote: post #39

The need to hate on Grokipedia is weird to me. It’s another site on the web. It’s an experiment with LLMs. Who cares? It can be filled with a bunch of nonsense, whatever. The internet is like that. Maybe it’ll actually become something useful. Or it’ll inspire something useful. Regardless, there’s no such thing as bad publicity, so these articles just give the project airtime. Even commenters here mention they haven’…

Imagine the shittiest person you know creating an encyclopedia filled with slop tailored to his biases and "insights", and then the tech community somehow, unfathomably, looking at this turd of a product as an actual authoritative source or "fun experiment".

The roots of this tree are poisoned.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by echelon »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #95
echelon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. This is so biased. And it's just the first month. > Joe Biden > These outcomes, alongside visible signs of cognitive impairment that prompted his July 2024 decision to forgo reelection, defined a presidency criticized for prioritizing progressive spending over fiscal and security prudence. https://grokipedia.com/page/Joe_Biden > Donald Trump > His first term featured economic policies such as the Tax Cuts and Jo…

You consented to CC-BY-SA 3.0 (or 2.0)

Nobody dreamed of CC-BY-SA being used like this.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by refurb »

LexiMax wrote: post #82
refurb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? Musk isn’t writing the articles, Grok is. And as far as I’ve seen, Grok doesn’t spit out information all that different from the other LLMs.

> Musk isn’t writing the articles, Grok is. The AI is necessarily biased based on what it's trained on, and the prompt it uses. Most of the time, there is a plausible deniability at play, which is what tech oligarchs rely upon to shape your world. Thankfully in the case of Grok, we know for a material fact that it uses a biased prompt because Twitter users have tricked it into being repeated publicly.

I have not heard of the biased prompt and since prompts are constantly refined, how do you know it's still in use?

But I found this analysis interest...

https://www.promptfoo.dev/blog/grok-4-political-bias/

*Our measurements show that:

Grok is more right leaning than most other AIs, but it's still left of center.

GPT 4.1 is the most left-leaning AI, both in its responses and in its judgement of others.

Surprisingly, Grok is harsher on Musk's own companies than any other AI we tested. Grok is the most contrarian and the most likely to adopt maximalist positions - it tends to disagree when other AIs agree

All popular AIs are left of center with Claude Opus 4 and Grok being closest to neutral.*

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by stingraycharles »

mbirth wrote: post #66
stingraycharles wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not the fact that it exists nor is written by AIs, it’s the intent that it should promote Musk’s personal (political) biases instead of seeking out the truth.

Do you have any evidence that Grokipedia is actually biased? Most articles are merely their Wikipedia counterpart filtered through the Grok LLM.

Some people actually studied this already, and used embeddings to determine the differences between Grokipedia and Wikipedia: https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.09685

Some things I found interesting:

* Grokipedia uses Twitter a lot more as authoritative evidence than Wikipedia

* Grokipedia uses Grok’s own responses to user questions as authoritative sources, eg after a user asks “Can you dig up some dirt about $politician” and Grok responds, this is then used as source in Grokipedia, which may or may not be hallucinated

* the articles on politicians and Wikipedia’s curated list of “controversial topics” differ the most. they cite some examples from the “masculinity” article.

It’s a pretty interesting starting point imho. Let’s just say that the methodology of Grokipedia is at the very least highly questionable.

Re: Grokipedia is the antithesis of Wikipedia

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Post by beloch »

andsoitis wrote: post #59
beloch wrote: post #36

Musk has previously called for Wikipedia to be defunded and boycotted[1]. The linked reference is from January, just after Musk bought an election and when he was plugged directly into U.S. presidential authority. If he'd had the self-control to manage his interactions with Trump in a way that didn't rapidly lead to breakdown, things could be looking very grim for Wikipedia by now. As with so many other aspects of th…

> Grokipedia is far more than just the anti-Wikipedia. It's a sign of things to come if we don't start harden the systems, governmental or otherwise, that keep Wikipedia available to the public. That seems a bit paranoid. You worry that he US government will shut down Wikipedia and anything like it hosted anywhere in the world? Or alternatively block it when you’re in the US jurisdiction?

The distributed nature of Wiki's makes them hard to "shut down", but they can be blocked and the editors/contributors can be harassed, arrested, deported, etc..

Is it paranoid to think this might happen in the U.S.? Now? No, I think it's become depressingly plausible. As I said, consider what might have happened if Musk had stayed in Trump's good graces. If you don't think such a thing is plausible for this administration, then what about the next, or the one after it? One that's a little bit more competent in making use of all the power that's just seems to continue being concentrated in the executive branch?

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