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Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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Re: Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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The problem is that with Flock, you’re basically being tracked incessantly anyways, so who cares if the automaker also does it?

We need to resist this stuff or else there will be Flock, stalker cars, and some other new nightmare they excuse by saying “well we’re already watching…”. Can’t let ourselves accept this is normal!

How do you resist automated license plate readers? Not having license plates doesn't seem practical.

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My device. I generate whatever the fuck the data I want. If you log it, kiss my ass.

Sure, I have the same attitude when it comes to the government telling me that I'm not allowed to use drugs. Doesn't mean I'm in the clear from a legal point of view. However, it's worth clarifying that the important detail isn't generating the data, but sending it. Particularly the clearly stated malicious intent of "poisoning" their data. This seems like exactly what the lawmakers writing CFAA sought to criminalize…

Could you argue the computer was unprotected? No encryption is wild.

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As a strictly logical assertion, I do not agree. Guessing URLs is crafting new types of interactions with a server. The built in surveillance uploader is still only accessing the server in the way it has already been explicitly authorized. Trying to tie some nebulous TOS to a situation that the manufacturer has deliberately created reeks of the same type of website-TOS shenanigans courts have (actually!) struck down.…

>(A) knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer; If your goal is to deliberately "poison" their data as suggested before, it's kind of obvious that you are knowingly causing the transmission of information in an effort to intentionally cause damage to a protected computer wit…

Any reasonable programmer (a peer) would say an unencrypted system that doesnt validate data is an unprotected system.

Re: Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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Prosecuting someone for deliberately injecting garbage data into another persons system hardly seems totalitarian. > You own the device, so anything you do within that device is authorized You're very clearly describing a situation where at least some of the things you're doing aren't happening on your own device. >I do know that the CFAA essentially gets interpreted to mean whatever the corpos want it to mean - it's…

My device. I generate whatever the fuck the data I want. If you log it, kiss my ass.

If you paid for a device it doesn't mean you have no rules set up on how you can operate it. I'm sure the is an EULA you agreed to.

As anecdote, while buying a new car I signed a statement that I'm not going to resell it to russia.

Re: Modern cars are spying on you. Here's what you can do about it

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nothing. And banning ALPR wont fix anything either. All cars have 4 unique serial numbers broadcast via radio at all times via the TPMS system. you don't even need a camera, just a radio receiver.

Checked how to receive those with SDR. Turns out they are very low power and you need to basically touch the tire. Also the transmit in minute intervals. Bit exactly a a smoking gun in terms of mass surveillance.

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I mean if you consider that death rate per mile driven 'mostly fine'

Check your tire pressures when you get gas, along with your oil and other fluid levels. Eyeball the tires every time you get in the car. These habits are not hard to develop and they will work even when the sensors malfunction (which is not infrequently). All that these sensor-based systems do is train you to be an inattentive car owner.

Many modern cars have no way to manually check oil or any fluid levels. Only way is to check the reading from the sensor via main screen.

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The ADAS systems mandated in Europe are insanely intrusive. I had a few rental cars in Europe this summer and wanted to send them off a cliff. (and I'm not an auto tech luddite, I've had modern cars in the US with autopilot type systems, lane keep, blind spot warning, rear traffic assist radar, forward collision warning, etc. IMO rear traffic assist/FCW/AEB tend to work really well, autopilot pretty well, and lane ke…

“Lane keep” yanks the wheel dangerously because it incorrectly detects the lane, or because you don’t indicate to pass a pothole on an empty road (which itself would be confusing to other road users) Forward collision warning has misfired on 2 occasions on me in the last 3 years The main issue is that so many cars have broken “auto dipping” headlights which don’t dip, or matrix headlights which don’t pick out other c…

> Forward collision warning has misfired on 2 occasions on me in the last 3 years

My Lexus is afraid of a bush behind my garage in the alley. It's on a neighbors property and not really overgrown, but my car refuses to get within about 5 ft of it. Makes backing out a nightmare. I haven't figured out a way to disable it, and have considered just selling this 2025 NX.

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I don't see it often either, but my government has been very active trying to get people to do bi-monthly tire pressure checks at the very least. I don't think most people know how to do it, to be honest. Partially because people seem to think reading two pages in a manual is some kind of sisyphean task that no mortal should ever be cursed with. It's pretty crazy how little people care. Even if you don't care about t…

Tire pressure management was one of the striking differences between my experiences in France and in the US. In France, we'd check tire pressure at gas stations on nice machines that had built in dial gauges and were free. In the US, I had to use one of those hand gauges and the air pumps needed quarters (in most cases, especially if you weren't also buying gas). In Portugal now, the gas stations also have free air a…

Many new cars have a tire repair kit instead of spare tire nowadays. At least there is a compressor in the kit which you can use to inflate the tire.

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eCall mustn't be active until an accident occurs. The lawful interception lobby tried hard to turn every car into a free data point they could sell to the government, but their efforts have failed. Last I heard they've shifted their efforts to making remote activation of on-board cameras part of the 5/6G smart car bullshit (which will of course be part of road safety requirments not long after).

No, that's not correct. The eCall spec requires self-checks that include registering with the network on at least every ignition. However, more importantly, it means you can't lawfully disable the modem that the manufacturer uses for its own telemetry.

Are you sure about that? My understanding was that the eCall self test does not connect to a network.

That’s stated on the eCall page linked above. Do you have a source that contradicts that?

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