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Why don’t fascist regimes push for UBI? Wouldn’t it be in their best interest to pay off the population unless they risk being “demonetised” completely? Edit: I guess the oil kingdoms in the ME are kinda that
I think this goes to something I’ve been seeing a lot of lately. People will hold an opinion for emotional reasons instead of logical reasons, and those speaking to them will get frustrated trying to “logic” them out of it (evidence, studies, facts, etc). It doesn’t work because they came to the opinion first and veneered it with logic afterwards. If you tear down the logic, the emotional substructure is still there.…
edit: oh and without sounding too conspiratorial hopefully... how are you going to control a populace that isnt desperate, downtrodden and uneducated... /end conspiracy
I think this goes to something I’ve been seeing a lot of lately. People will hold an opinion for emotional reasons instead of logical reasons, and those speaking to them will get frustrated trying to “logic” them out of it (evidence, studies, facts, etc). It doesn’t work because they came to the opinion first and veneered it with logic afterwards. If you tear down the logic, the emotional substructure is still there.…
IMO this describes the author of the article. They have an emotional discomfort with various inequities & inequalities which drive their advocacy of UBI & other measures and they aren't interested reason, arguments or logic. The guy has been obsessed with UBI since he was 15, no one is going to talk him out of it, no matter how bad the evidence is.
you say it like thats a bad thing
I think this goes to something I’ve been seeing a lot of lately. People will hold an opinion for emotional reasons instead of logical reasons, and those speaking to them will get frustrated trying to “logic” them out of it (evidence, studies, facts, etc). It doesn’t work because they came to the opinion first and veneered it with logic afterwards. If you tear down the logic, the emotional substructure is still there.…
We'll never have a ubi in a opportunistic greed based economy. How are you going to convince "mr i want all the resources" that they should share for the wellbeing of other people (and indirectly for the benefit of themselves but they dont look that far)? its about the foundations our economic systems are built on. edit: oh and without sounding too conspiratorial hopefully... how are you going to control a populace t…
I don't personally advocate for UBI, but I'll counter your question with another question; how are individuals supposed to have class mobility in an economy where the majority of transactions are speculative? The traditional "work hard and retire eventually" mindset is not going to last forever. Today's workers are paying yesterday's pensioners.
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We'll never have a ubi in a opportunistic greed based economy. How are you going to convince "mr i want all the resources" that they should share for the wellbeing of other people (and indirectly for the benefit of themselves but they dont look that far)? its about the foundations our economic systems are built on. edit: oh and without sounding too conspiratorial hopefully... how are you going to control a populace t…
You're describing the tragedy of the commons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons I don't personally advocate for UBI, but I'll counter your question with another question; how are individuals supposed to have class mobility in an economy where the majority of transactions are speculative? The traditional "work hard and retire eventually" mindset is not going to last forever. Today's workers are payi…
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IMO this describes the author of the article. They have an emotional discomfort with various inequities & inequalities which drive their advocacy of UBI & other measures and they aren't interested reason, arguments or logic. The guy has been obsessed with UBI since he was 15, no one is going to talk him out of it, no matter how bad the evidence is.
>emotional discomfort with various inequities & inequalities you say it like thats a bad thing
Feeling emotional discomfort with inequities and inequalities is a common human trait, probably nearly universal.
But there’s no reason to suspect that that discomfort is a good guide toward solutions that help more than harm.
That sort of facile engagement with the problem is what gives us disastrous ideologies like communism.
How about a "pseudo UBI" that only pays for basic necessities like rent, utilities, groceries and basic healthcare? Any kind of a universal safety net would allow human civilization as a whole to chill out a bit, and could also reduce various petty scams and/or the damage they cause to people.
That's already what UBI is.
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>emotional discomfort with various inequities & inequalities you say it like thats a bad thing
Not at all. Feeling emotional discomfort with inequities and inequalities is a common human trait, probably nearly universal. But there’s no reason to suspect that that discomfort is a good guide toward solutions that help more than harm. That sort of facile engagement with the problem is what gives us disastrous ideologies like communism.
I mean, one might conceptually bundle together practicality, pragmatism, and logic, and then say that caring about anything or having any principles or values is emotional and illogical. (This also gives us disastrous ideologies like communism, and may also be used to force favorite ideas because they're "scientific".)
How do I opt out of a ubi, where I can keep everything I [rightfully] earned?
Move to a place with no government and no services?
How about a "pseudo UBI" that only pays for basic necessities like rent, utilities, groceries and basic healthcare? Any kind of a universal safety net would allow human civilization as a whole to chill out a bit, and could also reduce various petty scams and/or the damage they cause to people.