The Fatal Trap UBI Boosters Keep Falling Into
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The Fatal Trap UBI Boosters Keep Falling Into
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#2I think this goes to something I’ve been seeing a lot of lately. People will hold an opinion for emotional reasons instead of logical reasons, and those speaking to them will get frustrated trying to “logic” them out of it (evidence, studies, facts, etc). It doesn’t work because they came to the opinion first and veneered it with logic afterwards. If you tear down the logic, the emotional substructure is still there. I have no idea how to solve this. The only people who have abandoned emotional beliefs I’ve seen have to come to that realization on their own.
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#3How do I opt out of a ubi, where I can keep everything I [rightfully] earned?
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#4Why don’t fascist regimes push for UBI? Wouldn’t it be in their best interest to pay off the population unless they risk being “demonetised” completely?
Edit: I guess the oil kingdoms in the ME are kinda that
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#5I think this goes to something I’ve been seeing a lot of lately. People will hold an opinion for emotional reasons instead of logical reasons, and those speaking to them will get frustrated trying to “logic” them out of it (evidence, studies, facts, etc). It doesn’t work because they came to the opinion first and veneered it with logic afterwards. If you tear down the logic, the emotional substructure is still there.…
This is in general how the human brain works. Unfortunately.
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#6How do I opt out of a ubi, where I can keep everything I [rightfully] earned?
Move to a place with no government and no services?
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#7How do I opt out of a ubi, where I can keep everything I [rightfully] earned?
You're asking how you opt out of taxes. You don't.
And everything you earn isn't rightfully yours. It's supported by an infrastructure of national defense, courts, police, building regulations, and so forth. You get many years of public school for free. Etc. etc. You didn't do this solo.
So the cost of all the benefits you get as a citizen is to contribute your rightful share, that share being decided democratically in which you have a vote.
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#8What happens if nobody works and how will we afford it are absolutely valid questions. A sovereign fund might answer both
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#9How do I opt out of a ubi, where I can keep everything I [rightfully] earned?
When you pay the government to ensure that its citizens aren’t in desperate poverty you are also getting the service in return where you aren’t getting violently mugged and robbed all the time.
If every American was forced by some kind of mandatory conscription to spend a percentage of their life living in the poorest neighborhoods in America they’d probably become pro-social safety net pretty quick.
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#10Why don’t fascist regimes push for UBI? Wouldn’t it be in their best interest to pay off the population unless they risk being “demonetised” completely? Edit: I guess the oil kingdoms in the ME are kinda that
Do you mean democratic regimes?
Fascism tends to reward work rate, contribution, cooperation, etc., and is typically nationalistic - there is no (Western) nation right now without an enormous proportion of ethnic foreigners whereby a UBI would effectively constitute a massive wealth transfer from the domestic population to immigrants (which is, needless to say, contrary to fascist objectives).
This is basically what we are seeing already, democratically, however. I know here in Australia it seems like there are neverending announcements of unfunded public programs to give out money and other resources to whichever group tugs at the voters' heartstrings most effectively. The coffers are dry, national debt is soaring, fraud is rampant, and yet I'm still positive I'll see a feel-good headline next week about the latest government initiative to "pay off" their electorate.