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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by IshKebab »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #245
jakobnissen wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really? In this example, could you not see anything wrong with calling employees losers and monkeys, until someone linked you the CoC?

Code of Conduct cannot stop someone from doing something. It’s just a document. However, in this case, the presence of the code of conduct has made it trivially easy to point out the language as wrong in a way whoever wrote this for Zig cannot refute. It’s working exactly as it should.

They don't have to refute it; they have the power to ignore it.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by throwaway150 »

petersellers wrote: post #412
throwaway150 wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are confused by this, why are you continuing to respond? I'm not confused by anything. That was a rhetorical question. I continue to respond because there are other things that I care about and I have things to say about that. I don't care about what style or tone or words Andrew choses on their website. But I care about people trying to be morality police and discouraging someone blogging on their own websi…

> But I care about people trying to be morality police and discouraging someone blogging on their own website from writing rudely and writing politically incorrectly This appears to be a strawman. You already admitted he violated the CoC - so he is in the wrong here. I'm not sure what else there is to disagree with - that's been my assertion from the beginning. If he wants to write childish stuff on his own website t…

> You already admitted he violated the CoC - so he is in the wrong here

I didn't say that. This is what I said -

"But yeah... CoC may apply to him too. So you've got a good point. I don't know if the CoC applies to their website. If you know more and if it does, a violation of CoC should be reported on their issue tracker."

Emphasis: "may", "I don't know if", "If you know more".

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by freehorse »

quantummagic wrote: post #176
ericpruitt wrote: post #166

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Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

Every org has a code of conduct and this is nothing new. How seriously it is taken in each case is a different issue. Code of conduct usually amount to some rules that say “don’t be an asshole to others”. Can’t see why this is problematic or “virtue signaling”.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by brabel »

lmm wrote: post #242
DANmode wrote: post #184

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vs…?

Apparently there's some specific US cultural history of people calling black people "monkeys" as a racist insult, and so some people from there immediately leap to assume that any use of "monkey" as an insult is that.

You think that’s an American thing only?? Oh boy, I have bad news.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by throwaway150 »

timcobb wrote: post #249
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

> Stuff that used to be snappy is now sluggish and often entirely broken. and as of when was GitHub known for its snappiness?

GitHub was very snappy in the early days. I remember how refreshing I found GitHub when it was new. I don't know when but sometime after 2020 it has just been going downhill.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by reactordev »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #245
jakobnissen wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really? In this example, could you not see anything wrong with calling employees losers and monkeys, until someone linked you the CoC?

Code of Conduct cannot stop someone from doing something. It’s just a document. However, in this case, the presence of the code of conduct has made it trivially easy to point out the language as wrong in a way whoever wrote this for Zig cannot refute. It’s working exactly as it should.

Which suffice to say is not at all

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by flohofwoe »

nromiun wrote: post #139

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

> That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world.

It really isn't (look at Gitlab's for comparison), the only advantage of Github CI is that it offers free Mac runners.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by maybewhenthesun »

xp84 wrote: post #359
harry8 wrote: post #330

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There is a difference between what you say to and about volunteers working for free on their hobby and what you say about the work of a company famously known as "The Death Star" You want to work with people and the group says "yay and this is how we will work together" you do that or go away. This is entirely separate to stating a universal truth such as "Microsoft product blows because they do not care", "Oracle su…

I have no connection to Microsoft but I think this take is terrible. Part of maturing and growing up, for me, was realizing that there are really very few people who truly deserve scorn and disrespect[1]. Those I disagree with politically, mostly think they’re doing the right thing and they think that if people only understood, they’d change their tune (and that’s basically what I think of them). Those “big companies…

I think it's healthy, even necessary, to utterly distrust microsoft (or any large compny, for that matter). And while I don't think it's a-ok to call an individual microsft employee a monkey by name I think it IS a-ok to say any microsoft product is 'written by monkeys' or any other suitable derogatory term.

The way github develops is steered by microsoft-the-company and not so much by it's individual employees. A company, especially such a huge one, is not to be trusted and can (should) be made fun of.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by tcfhgj »

holysoles wrote: post #74

I haven't really taken a step back to critically think about using GitHub as a platform until now, but I do agree with the points in this article. While I like the idea of a more distributed repository environment, I will miss the project discoverability, social aspects, and centralization that GitHub offers. It'll probably be awhile before I make a switch, but I will eventually.

Fwiw they're implementing federation, so bring it back some aspects of centralization without centralization
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