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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by jakobnissen »

duped wrote: post #197
quantummagic wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

It's helpful when people are being assholes to point to a document describing how they're being an asshole and to cut it out

Is it really? In this example, could you not see anything wrong with calling employees losers and monkeys, until someone linked you the CoC?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by nromiun »

homebrewer wrote: post #228
nromiun wrote: post #139

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers. After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability"…

The only good thing about it is their very generous limits for "open source" projects (it doesn't even have to be free software AFAIK, just the source has to be visible to everyone). The CI service itself is an absolute trash fire caused by the usual Microsoft NIH, and if they have financial means not to deal with it anymore, I see no reason for them to waste their limited development time on dealing with it.

They could have easily done that without all the insults.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by petersellers »

ssivark wrote: post #215
petersellers wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I agree that the writing in the blog post is more colorful than precise, but sanitizing every bit of expression dulls the internet. Humans invented language for a reason. Where do you draw the line, then? Is a racist screed acceptable to you as long as the following paragraph references technical issues correctly? The language in the blog post is insulting. Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrot…

Would you perhaps have preferred if they referred to it as "unprofessional" or "sloppy" instead alluding of monkeys? To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over. > Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrote this code, and now you are being called a monkey in front of thousands of people on the internet. Er.. so? Why should anyon…

> To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over.

And to many others, the difference is that one is informative, the other is likely to turn them off of the author and project forever.

I noticed that you never answered my question. If this is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line? If you can answer that question, maybe you'll be able to see the flaw in your argument.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by messe »

Nathanba wrote: post #229
DANmode wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll take that vs no open source software contributors. Elitism is far from the worst character trait unpaid code janitors can be expected to have.

I have a lot of understanding for such personalities too, I'm probably quite like this myself although I try my hardest to not open my mouth like this. For example I got blocked by Jonathan Blow over a simple question on twitter but I don't think too badly of him now, it's just a miscalculation on his part or him trying to optimize his life as a passionate person. But you really need to make sure to be right when you…

> I got blocked by Jonathan Blow

You're probably better off for it to be honest.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by bitbasher »

climb_stealth wrote: post #82
dsissitka wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the incident: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41837782 https://dmpwn.info/

Holy shit this escalates completely. I had no idea any of this was going. Is sr.ht tainted now or still a decent place to host code? I can't quite tell.

He's a bit unhinged, but for what it's worth every interaction I've had with him has been positive.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by lmm »

duped wrote: post #197
quantummagic wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

It's helpful when people are being assholes to point to a document describing how they're being an asshole and to cut it out

In my experience it's the opposite of helpful, because it's actually a lot easier to reach consensus on whether someone's being an asshole than on whether they have violated the code in the document.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by throwaway150 »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

> But leave ad hominems like "losers" and "monkeys" out of it.

Ad hominem happens when someone undermines the argument based on the speaker's background. Here they are not undermining any argument. They're just name calling. This is name calling, not ad hominem.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by serial_dev »

jakobnissen wrote: post #231
duped wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's helpful when people are being assholes to point to a document describing how they're being an asshole and to cut it out

Is it really? In this example, could you not see anything wrong with calling employees losers and monkeys, until someone linked you the CoC?

To add to it, the post is still calling people losers and monkeys, so the CoC is clearly not working properly.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by throwaway150 »

petersellers wrote: post #233
ssivark wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you perhaps have preferred if they referred to it as "unprofessional" or "sloppy" instead alluding of monkeys? To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over. > Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrote this code, and now you are being called a monkey in front of thousands of people on the internet. Er.. so? Why should anyon…

> To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over. And to many others, the difference is that one is informative, the other is likely to turn them off of the author and project forever. I noticed that you never answered my question. If this is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line? If you can answer that question, maybe you'll be able to see…

> the other is likely to turn them off of the author and project forever

Which is absolutely fine. It's their project, their website. If they can't be colorful on their own website, where else can they be! If it turns off some people, I'm sure the author is aware of the risk and happy with that risk.

I, for one, find this kind of colorful language refreshing. Everyone trying to be politically correct makes the internet a dull place.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by kees99 »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

> bloated, buggy JavaScript framework

Isn't that the unfortunate status quo? At least hard requirement for JS, that is.

Google's homepage started requiring this recently. Linux kernel's git, openwrt, esp32.com, and many many others now require it too, via dreaded "Making sure you're not a bot" thing:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44962529

If anything, github is (thankfully) behind the curve here - at least some basics do work without JS.

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