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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by dpkirchner »

ssivark wrote: post #154
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

> created by monkeys I don't particularly care for either Zig or Github, but... they do precisely cite the technical issues. That snippet links to a Github discussion comment https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792#issuecomment-3... (reproduced below) "The bug in this "safe sleep" script is obvious from looking at it: if the process is not scheduled for the one-second interval in which the loop would return (du…

I must be missing something huge here, or maybe it's the wine -- how is the code in PR 3157 (referenced in a later comment) a proper fix?

https://github.com/actions/runner/pull/3157/files

Is : doing something unusual in GH actions?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by DANmode »

mmaunder wrote: post #179
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Agreed. Came here to point out that the lack of professionalism and common courtesy here is reminiscent of the dark entitled days of open source in the late 90s that had attitude of "We build free software so we can tell you to go fuck yourself.". Hope we're not headed back there.

I’ll take that vs no open source software contributors.

Elitism is far from the worst character trait unpaid code janitors can be expected to have.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by dvrj101 »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #126

Very questionable decision. You're running what aims to be a major programming language - have it where people expect and live with your gripes about the platform. In retail you set up your store in the biggest mall with the most customers walking past - sure you can go set up in some back alley but don't expect customers to come to your store. This remains true even if the mall owns forget to mop the floor. This fee…

> This feels immature and does not give confidence in the project/language leadership.

so making tough decisions is now immature this days lol.

> mall owns forget to mop the floor

quite a whitewashing i would say.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by DANmode »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #167
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

The "monkeys" here are clearly refering to those kinds with typewriters.

vs…?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by shridharxp »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

It's okay to bring some "natural" language in technical communication. It feels more humane. All the whitewashed corporate language, riddled marketing bullshit feels so soul dead.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by Veserv »

dpkirchner wrote: post #181
ssivark wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> created by monkeys I don't particularly care for either Zig or Github, but... they do precisely cite the technical issues. That snippet links to a Github discussion comment https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792#issuecomment-3... (reproduced below) "The bug in this "safe sleep" script is obvious from looking at it: if the process is not scheduled for the one-second interval in which the loop would return (du…

I must be missing something huge here, or maybe it's the wine -- how is the code in PR 3157 (referenced in a later comment) a proper fix? https://github.com/actions/runner/pull/3157/files Is : doing something unusual in GH actions?

The original loop is:

while (time() != timeout) {;}

The fixed loop is:

while (time() < timeout) {;}

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

#187

Post by xedrac »

jimmyed wrote: post #112
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

I agree that the article is strongly worded, and Andrew seems quite angry/frustrated. However, it also gives me flashbacks of how it was back in the golden days, when Linus was calling wannabe kernel contributors idiots who should have died because they "couldn't find their mothers tit to suck on". Having low patience is a quirk of our nerd culture, and now that the woke season has ended, it seems to be going back to…

While I generally think constructive criticism is usually the right choice, I suspect Github will never get the message unless there are some very strongly worded criticisms. In Andrew's defense, he did post some constructive evidence of things he considered problematic.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #134
brendoelfrendo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, fuck 'em. Call out corpo bullshit where you see it. Github is just LinkedIn for people with compsci degrees now.

And what's wrong with that? Even if you're right, just don't use it, why insult and denigrate people?

Because they deserve to know they're making the world a worse place.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by adrianN »

shridharxp wrote: post #185
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

It's okay to bring some "natural" language in technical communication. It feels more humane. All the whitewashed corporate language, riddled marketing bullshit feels so soul dead.

You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by dboon »

echelon wrote: post #90
AndyKelley wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have accused me of "shitting in Rust threads". Do you have any evidence for this libel?

[flagged]

I can't imagine being someone like Andrew, or any BDFL of a popular open source project, and having to deal with folks like this. Imagine posting a timed output of your compiler on a thread about a similar language's slow compiler and having someone cite this as bad behavior.

Anyway, the clear absurdity of this particular post aside, it's not OK to call other people monkeys. I make no statement on the quality of their engineering. But they're people! I'd hope to see a quiet dignity from the Zig folks here. They've done so much excellent work, and I'm sure it's frustrating to see what software can be and then have it sharply laid against what software often is. But kindness is always the way.

Thanks to everyone involved with Zig for their work and love of software!

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