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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by cookiengineer »

dsissitka wrote: post #38
gwerbret wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm happy to see the move. Codeberg is probably a more stable/long-term solution than SourceHut as the founder is slightly unhinged What's this about?

Maybe the incident: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41837782 https://dmpwn.info/

> dmpwn

Kinda horrible to see that the 4chan bigots use the same strategy to try to discredit drew devault, and implying things of ownership through their own created fake accounts and smearing campaigns. Pretty much all allegations on that page are circumstantial evidence, especially the bot ownership parts that sircmpwn even took down while citing those bigots using it to scrape child porn.

And then the dude of dmpwn posting things on image boards with the tag dmpwn, and forgetting to remove that from screenshots? lol, really?

Having experienced the same kind of doxxing attempts by 4chan bigots, /pol/ and kiwifarms, I think I am qualified to comment on how they operate.

Maybe someone needs to summon the Antichrist a second time to thin out the herd, huh?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by notepad0x90 »

zeofig wrote: post #114
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

We're past the point of civility when it comes to things like github and M$0FT's involvement.

Thankfully, many of us are not in that "We" group you're referring. This is a toxic culture I want no part of. It says a lot about the nature of the Zig community.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by cookiengineer »

climb_stealth wrote: post #82
dsissitka wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the incident: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41837782 https://dmpwn.info/

Holy shit this escalates completely. I had no idea any of this was going. Is sr.ht tainted now or still a decent place to host code? I can't quite tell.

It's a defamation campaign done by 4chan bigots. See my sibling comment.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by notepad0x90 »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #107
johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

Nah, fuck 'em. Call out corpo bullshit where you see it. Github is just LinkedIn for people with compsci degrees now.

And what's wrong with that? Even if you're right, just don't use it, why insult and denigrate people?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by davidsainez »

GaryBluto wrote: post #97
davidsainez wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not wanting to review and maintain code that someone didn't even bother to write themselves is childish?

Denying code not on it's merits but it's source is childish.

But to determine its merit a maintainer must first donate their time and read through the PR.

LLMs reduce the effort to create a plausible PR down to virtually zero. Requiring a human to write the code is a good indicator that A. the PR has at least some technical merit and B. the human cares enough about the code to bother writing a PR in the first place.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by mfenniak »

do_not_redeem wrote: post #36

Congratulations on the move! > Thank you to the Forgejo contributors who helped us with our issues switching to the platform, as well as the Codeberg folks who worked with us on the migration I'd love to see a writeup about these problems/solutions at some point.

Although it's not a writeup, most of the problems can be traced through this "moving-to-forgejo" meta-issue: https://codeberg.org/forgejo-contrib/moving-to-forgejo/issue...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by zdw »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #126

Very questionable decision. You're running what aims to be a major programming language - have it where people expect and live with your gripes about the platform. In retail you set up your store in the biggest mall with the most customers walking past - sure you can go set up in some back alley but don't expect customers to come to your store. This remains true even if the mall owns forget to mop the floor. This fee…

None of this means that you have to be on a specific platform. GitHub as default/mandatory is a single point of failure for the entire tech industry.

For an example of another language that avoids being entirely coupled into Github, Go has it's real code hosting and CI interaction on a Gerrit instance, with some sync back and forth to GitHub for a few items.

The CI pain and operational blindness mentioned in the Zig post is entirely real.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by notepad0x90 »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

You're right, I've been hearing lots of good things about Zig and I wanted to check it out but I'm glad I saw this post. I want no part of this thing.

I've heard people call other people "monkeys" before in a work setting. it's never good. Fact is, you don't need to call anyone names or insult them.

The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic. I simply don't trust any decision these people make. If you can't bring yourself to respectfully disagree with other human beings, if you resort to calling names and insults targetted at developers because of bugs, then i don't trust you to not backdoor your own code, or do something harmful to those who rely on your work because of some drama, spat or activism.

Even if actual political activists did this it would be unacceptable. If you called Netanyahu a monkey because of his Gaza genocide, most people who are pro-palestine will try to cancel you! Not because they think highly of him, but because it hurts the cause more than it helps.

Andrew: It seems you don't respect your own self or your community enough to set an example of decorum and civility. You've made Zig a platform for your own personal shitposting. Please do better!

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by nromiun »

So much vague outrage over nothing. That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Foundation to create their own CI servers.

After that they appreciate GitHub Sponsors, but say it is now a complete liability just because a project leader left. What are the actual changes? Any new rule? But no, it is now a "liability" and we should accept it.

Honestly speaking I like how big projects are exploring new hosting options. But there is no need to attack other platforms like this to promote your new host.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by KingMob »

shevy-java wrote: post #46
aeonfox wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could also just be people with bills to pay who are maybe faced with—by some accounts—a very challenging employment market. Or maybe due to disabilities they find the process of finding new work difficult or impossible.

That is fine, but they adopt or delegate corporate opinions onto others. I feel that if you need to lie to people because of money, your job is not honest. (I don't mean you; I mean people who need to do this because otherwise they may lose their job etc...)

> I feel that if you need to lie to people because of money

Then your beef is with capitalism, not Github/MSFT.

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