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Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by lm28469 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #74
lm28469 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely true in western Europe, and finding a job is extremely hard for the vast majority of non expert devs. Of course if you're in south eastern europe or in south asia where all the jobs are being offshored you're having the time of your life.

> Definitely true in western Europe, and finding a job is extremely hard for the vast majority of non expert devs. I don't know what else to say except that hasn't been my experience personally, nor the experience of my acquaintances who've re-skilled to become programmers these last few years, in Western Europe.

Anecdotes are cool but we came up with a neat little thing known as statistics.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tech-job-postings-fall-across...

> Among the 27 countries analysed, European nations saw the steepest fall in tech job postings between 1 February 2020 and 31 October 2025,

> In absolute terms, the decline exceeded 40% in Switzerland (-46%) and the UK (-41%), with France (-39%) close behind.

> The United States showed a similar trend, with a decline of 35%. Austria (-34%), Sweden (-32%) and Germany (-30%) were also at comparable levels.

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by fragmede »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #58
aforwardslash wrote: post #4

Everytime I read one of these "I don't use AI" posts, the content is either "my code is handcrafted in a mountain spring and blessed by the universe itself, so no AI can match it", or "everything different from what I do is technofascism or ". Maybe Im missing something, but tech is controlled by a handful of companies - always have been; and sometimes code is just code, and AI is just a tool. What am I missing?

I was embarrassed recently to realize that almost all the code I create these days is written by AIs. Then I realized that’s OK. It’s a tool, and I’m making effective use of it. My job was to solve problems, not to write code. I have a little pet theory brewing. Corporate work claims that we hire junior devs who become intermediate devs, who then become senior devs. The doomsday crowd claim that AI has replaced junio…

Anthropic ran a vending machine business as an experiment, but I don't imagine someone out there isn't already seriously running one in production.

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by [deleted] »

nullbyte808 wrote: post #13

As a crappy programmer I love AI! Right now I'm focusing on building up my Math knowledge, general CS knowledge and ML knowledge. In the future, knowing how to read code and understanding it may be more important than writing it. I think its amazing what giant vector matrices can do with a little code.

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Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by nake89 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #90
DJBunnies wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah it's pretty bad, but congrats on being an outlier.

Literally the worst job you can find as a programmer today (if you lower you standards and particularly, stay away from cryptocurrency jobs) is 10x better than the non-programmer jobs you can find. If you don't trust me, give a non-programming job a try for 1 year and then come back and tell me how much more comfy $JOB was :)

> give a non-programming job a try for 1 year

I have a mortgage, 3 kids and a wife to support. So no. I don't think I'm going to do that. Also, I like my programming job.

EDIT: Sorry I thought you were saying the opposite. Didn't realize you were the OP of this thread.

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by MattRix »

embedding-shape wrote: post #72
csmantle wrote: post #41

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> programmers should be some of the most worry-free individuals on this planet, the job is easy, well-paid, not a lot of health drawbacks if you have a proper setup and relatively easy to find a new job when you need it Not in where I live though. Competition is fierce, both in industry and academia, for most posts being saturated and most employees face "HR optimization" in their late 30s. Not to mention working ove…

Again, compare this to other professions, don't look at in isolation, and you'll see why you're still (or will have, seems you're a student still) having a much more pleasant life than others.

This “compare it to other professions” thing doesn’t really work when those other professions are not the one you actually do. The idea that someone should never be miserable in their job because other more miserable jobs exist is not realistic.

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by kalaksi »

embedding-shape wrote: post #93
kalaksi wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's mostly comfy and well-paid. But like with physical labor, there are jobs/projects that are easy and not as taxing, and jobs that are harder and more taxing (in this case mentally).

Yes, you'll end up in situations where peers/bosses/clients aren't the most pleasant, but compare that to any customer facing job, you'll quickly be able to shed those moments as countless people face those seldom situations on a daily basis. You can give it a try, work in a call center for a month, and you'll acquire more stress during that month than even the worst managed software project.

When I was younger, I worked doing sales and customer service at a mall. Mostly approaching people and trying to pitch a product. Didn't pay well, was very easy to get into and do, but I don't enjoy that kind of work (and many people don't enjoy programming and would actually hate it) and it was temporary anyway. I still feel like that was much easier, but more boring.

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by MattRix »

embedding-shape wrote: post #45
amrocha wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s been over 1 million people laid off in tech in the past 4 years https://www.trueup.io/layoffs

Again, sucks to be in the US as a programmer today maybe, but this isn't true elsewhere in the world, and especially not if you already have at least some experience.

You seem to keep having to add more and more qualifiers to your statements…

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by metalman »

"chat~fu"

cachonk!

snap your cuffs, wait fot it eyebrows!

and demonstrate your mastery ,to the muterings of the golly gee's

it will last several more months untill the , GASP!!!, bills ,maintenance costs, regulatory burdens, and various legal issues combine to, pop AI's balloon, where then AI will be left automating all of the tedious, but chair filling, beurocratic/secretarial/appretice positions through out the white collar world. technology is slowly pushing into other sectors, where legacy methods and equipment can now be reduced to a free app on a phone, more to the point, a free, local only app. fact is that we are way over siliconed going forward and that will bite as well, terra bite phones for $100, what then?

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by RicoElectrico »

rho4 wrote: post #23

And then there is the moderate position: Don't be the person refusing the use a calculator / PC / mobile phone / AI. Regularly give the new tool a chance and check if improvements are useful for specific tasks. And carry on with your life.

You're preaching to the wrong crowd I guess. Many people here think in extremes.

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by thunky »

embedding-shape wrote: post #20

> And yeah, I get it. We programmers are currently living through the devaluation of our craft, in a way and rate we never anticipated possible. I'm a programmer, been coding professionally for 10 something years, and coding for myself longer than that. What are they talking about? What is this "devaluation"? I'm getting paid more than ever for a job I feel like I almost shouldn't get paid for (I'm just having fun),…

> What exactly is being de-valuated for a profession

You're probably fine as a more senior dev...for now.

But if I was a junior I'd be very worried about the longevity I can expect as a dev. It's already easier for many/most cases to assign work to a LLM vs handholding a human through it.

Plus as an industry we've been exploiting our employer's lack of information to extract large salaries to produce largely poor quality outputs imo. And as that ignorance moat gets smaller, this becomes harder to pull off.

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