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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by xanados »

groby_b wrote: post #292
to_jon wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I agree, but some of his content will be a barrier for some people. I'm sure if the tone of the post was milder, most of the comments here would be supportive." -- too typical a response "Peppered throughout the post are cultural signs and signifiers that mark the author as an advocate for a fairly specific set of political and social beliefs." -- completely irrelevant to assessing the facts of the case As a white m…

Sigh. It's classic derailment. "Your damaging your cause by being so aggressive". "You're seeing problems where none exist". You get the same answers when you debate women's issues. And I have no doubt any other minority's issues, too. It's so common there's even a bingo card for it: http://tumblinfeminist.tumblr.com/post/12171070300/notasking...

The existence of bingo cards is not an argument, even if patio has made it so easy for us to generate them. You may find the following article interesting: http://squid314.livejournal.com/329561.html

> This tendency reaches its most florid manifestation in the "ideological bingo games". See for example "Skeptical Sexist Bingo", feminist bingo, libertarian troll bingo, anti-Zionist bingo, pro-Zionist bingo, and so on. If you Google for these you can find thousands, which is too bad because every single person who makes one of these is going to Hell.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by reeses »

makomk wrote: post #325
to_jon wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I agree, but some of his content will be a barrier for some people. I'm sure if the tone of the post was milder, most of the comments here would be supportive." -- too typical a response "Peppered throughout the post are cultural signs and signifiers that mark the author as an advocate for a fairly specific set of political and social beliefs." -- completely irrelevant to assessing the facts of the case As a white m…

I'm too cynical to even manage disappointment, sorry. HN is... well, it's very white. I'm not so much talking about the people who comment here, but for the most part we're discussing companies founded and run by white people, funded by all-white venture capital organisations, with a largely-white employee base. Given that, it's sadly not surprising that many commenters here have really fucked up views on racism beca…

One phenomenon I've seen a lot is racism/sexism/prejudice of some other sort given free rein because there is no self criticism in that area.

Because only stupid people are sexist and racist. We are smart, ergo, we cannot be sexist or racist.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by ucee054 »

When I was in high school, if a guy called me "raghead", I'd call him "white trash" back.

I didn't see it as me being racist, just as retaliation.

But then again, I didn't see the other guy as racist, just as an asshole.

I was eccentric and the mean kids wanted to pick on me.

I assumed that their basic motivation was malice, so had I been white (so they couldn't use mild racial slurs against me) they'd just have found something else nasty to say.

I put that into a separate category than racist, which to me meant something like the members of the KKK or the Nazi party.

Is this a false distinction?

I get the same vibe about the mentioned workplace, like it's a bunch of jock assholes (and definitely meets the definitions of "hostility" and "harassment", for what it's worth).

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by reeses »

kenko wrote: post #256
JPKab wrote: post #165

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Brilliant analysis. I am one of the readers who had deep concern for the truthfulness of these observations. If they are true, then he got screwed, royally, and should sue. Except for the pendant comment. That's just a case of taking yourself too seriously. Yet another nail in the coffin of his credibility.

"Yet another nail in the coffin of his credibility." So because he's upset that his pendant was mocked (in what sounds like a pretty assy way), he isn't credible ? What were the other nails?

I think he read the parent post as an indictment of the author and not a summary of valid issues with the company.

I know.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by ctdonath »

anthonyb wrote: post #323
JPKab wrote: post #121

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Take a walk through half of Baltimore, friend, and you will discover that you will get the shit kicked out of you for being white. Murdered? Hopefully not, but I can assure you that, while the old, racist, static power structures of the USA are oppressive towards non-whites, power is not a static thing. It shifts depending on where you are. When you are taking said walk in Baltimore, and become surrounded by people w…

And now imagine the entire country was like that half of Baltimore? How would you feel then? You can at least avoid that area - they can't.

The entire country ISN'T like that half of Baltimore.

Most of the country doesn't give a shit what color you are so long as you don't start with a presumptive "you're a fucking racist!" attitude.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by ucee054 »

danielweber wrote: post #136
dos1 wrote: post #26

>I cannot afford to take white people’s shit anymore. That’s been my mantra this year, and I’m still on it, even if that means getting the law involved. From the comment above (and several other parts of his article) he certainly appears to be just as racist as the people he's trying to demonize. Not to mention there's a crazy amount of self entitlement going on. >I had a whole month of potential creative and communi…

It's not illegal for the author to be racist. It's rather illegal for an employer to be racist in their workplace. Yes, I'd rather there were a better whistleblower than this guy. You seldom get things to align perfectly.

I second this.

By the way, the law works through deterrence.

Say this is a douchebag workplace mistreating a douchebag employee, and they get punished.

Now they serve as example to the next douchebag workplace, who hesitate before mistreating their employee, who may not be a douchebag.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by zippy »

Dave9k wrote: post #319
humean wrote: post #179

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Suppose, instead of just thinking, "Dumbwhite---," the OP had actually said out loud , "Dumbwhite---." Would that be a firing offense, too? I'm sure it would be - I'm just asking to make sure.

If this guy was white and calling everyone "dumbblack------" no one would be upvoting this.

Huh, it's as if white people come from a position of privilege, generations of near-total freedom from racial oppression, if you will, thus making similar-seeming actions have very different contexts!

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

psykotic wrote: post #359
JPKab wrote: post #165

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Brilliant analysis. I am one of the readers who had deep concern for the truthfulness of these observations. If they are true, then he got screwed, royally, and should sue. Except for the pendant comment. That's just a case of taking yourself too seriously. Yet another nail in the coffin of his credibility.

> Except for the pendant comment. That's just a case of taking yourself too seriously. Yet another nail in the coffin of his credibility. What nails? You're treating his every statement as suspect by default based on the racial, sexual and political stereotype you are projecting onto him. Judging by the admittedly superficial evidence of your post history, you are a Randian libertarian with a stereotypical dislike of…

You're treating his every statement as suspect by default based on the racial, sexual and political stereotype you are projecting onto him.

The burden of proof for accusations of this nature (or any serious nature) should always be on the accuser, not the accused.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

batgaijin wrote: post #396
javert wrote: post #343

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healthcare and quality of education being tied to your parents employment and property ownership Unless I misunderstand you, that's part of reality. Healthcare and education don't fall from the sky. Somebody has to produce them. In order for them to be consumed, they have to either be paid for, or stolen. the most racist things don't target the race of anyone, just their income level Racism has a specific definition,…

This is why I barely go on this forum any more, stupid fucking fellow Americans. Did you know that in other countries healthcare is free? And top quality education? And college? We could have it to, if all you shits didn't incorporate in Delaware. Goddamn this country.

Name-calling is definitely the right approach.

Did you know that in other countries healthcare is free? And top quality education? And college?

In no place anywhere on earth are those things free. Someone pays for them, always. Maybe the government should pay for them here (leaving aside the fact that our government already pays an enormous amount for healthcare and education), but it's not an obvious, incontrovertible fact that we should, to the point that justifies name-calling. Many top economists don't think those things should be subsidized by the government, regardless of how good they may sound to the electorate.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that incorporating in Delaware is some kind of tax dodge; it's not. It won't save you a single penny in taxes. You still have to pay taxes on income in the state in which you generate that income, and you still have to pay federal taxes no matter where you are in the world.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Post by vacri »

batgaijin wrote: post #392
jvm wrote: post #330

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> the most racist things don't target the race of anyone, just their income level. This is basically a denial that actual racism is a serious problem. I think that's worse than saying the n-word a thousand times. Even if Obamacare gives every black person free health insurance and also a pony, that's not going to make even a tiny dent in the racism that pervades our society, and saying that it will is just spreading…

Here are the facts: This is from Wikipedia on demographics of the poor in the USA: The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[30] 9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons 12.1% of all Asian persons 26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race) 27.4% of all black persons. Looks pretty bad for hispanics/black people, right? Except it doesn't have the population breakdown... White…

That's for below the poverty line. Care to do a similar analysis for the wealthy or upper middle class?

Racism is the false flag of socioeconomic problems in society.

Racism is not just about the dollars in your hip pocket. Read the article - nowhere in it is he complaining about his pay.

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