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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by Zak »

exasperaited wrote: post #174
thiht wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always assumed Chrome OS was some kind of Android build anyway, but apparently not

ChromeOS has been converging on Android for a while but never quite gets there. They are asymptotic ;-) It rather looks like Aluminium OS is the intended solution. I don't see any problem with it being "locked down", in the sense that it doesn't sound any worse than Chrome OS or Android. The open question is whether any open source release will happen worth a damn.

> I don't see any problem with it being "locked down", in the sense that it doesn't sound any worse than Chrome OS or Android.

I think the problem is that it further normalizes computers where users don't have the final say. The more normarized systems like that are, the more likely app developers (and even websites, if something like web environment integrity were to be normalized) are to lock out users on systems that aren't so restricted.

I wish I didn't have to care what kind of computers most people use, but in reality, it matters what's popular.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by ktpsns »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #109

With the move to close down Android further and evil remote attestation, the PC is the last computing platform that leaves the user in somewhat control over the system. This is an indirect attack on our freedom, and I really don't want a future where two American companies somehow got a duopoly with full control over the hardware and software stack of all general purpose computing devices, and on top of that also act…

You won't be excluded, just being forced to buy and operate a shitty second device with their OS just to do online banking, etc.

I have hope in open OS such as Linux and the BSDs that they also survive the upcoming hardware lockdowns. Just look how they reverse engineered the MacBook chips. Took a long time but worked out. It remains a constant fight against big tech.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by fsflover »

sofixa wrote: post #214
malfist wrote: post #45

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Let's be honest, nobody is asking for android based desktops, google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales.

> google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales Most Android applications are free. Furthermore, Google allow you to install a separate store where you can buy from, allowing you to not have to pay those 30%, or to pay them to someone else other than Google. And if anyone is trying to normalise 30% rent seeking on desktops, it's the incumbents already directing you towards their store (Microso…

> Google allow you to install a separate store where you can buy from

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by powerclue »

pjmlp wrote: post #251
powerclue wrote: post #249

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Seems like you moved the goalposts pretty far... Consumers using Linux has shot up pretty dramatically this year, at least in my social circles. I count at least a dozen, non technical friends who decided to drop windows. That number has been zero a year for decades. Game devs working in Linux is always a lagging indicator. Once there's a market share, they'll go there. Once it's the preferred os for people, you'll b…

Nope, they are still on the same spot, Proton isn't Linux gaming, is making Windows ecosystem available on Linux, because Valve has failed to provide enough value for game studios to target SteamOS natively. Blender was a commercial product that became FOSS, with an existing customer base.

People using Linux as their desktop OS are using desktop Linux. What binaries they run on that OS doesn't change what OS they are running.

You've developed a "No true Scotsman" definition for desktop Linux that seems far from the common understanding that "if you use Linux as your OS on your desktop, you are a desktop Linux user".

If you feel your definition of purity tested "only Linux binaries or it doesn't count as a Linux desktop" is better, I'm not going to tell you you are wrong, just expect that you have a definition significantly out of the norm and will have a challenging uphill battle in getting others to adopt it.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by knowitnone3 »

liendolucas wrote: post #158

No one tech-savvy wants this. We are already sick of Google's Android lockdowns on mobile phones, and now coming after laptops and desktops? What's that going to be like? Will developers have to beg to have control over devices they own? Will we be locked down on the store and have to manually install "unverified" software? Will I be able to take screenshots at will on MY computer, or get a black screen because Googl…

The question is who is more evil. Microsoft or Google and my pick is Microsoft.

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Post by goku12 »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #119
goku12 wrote: post #112

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No thanks! It makes sense for them, not for us. Their rent seeking behavior, locking down of the OS and hardware and their hostility towards the FOSS mod community and users have all worsened lately. The only reason why they ever revisit such 'features' is a massive backlash from the community. Then again, history has shown that they try to smuggle them back in some other form. Desktop and laptop are the last standin…

Thanks, I completely agree with you! It seems that most people here will happily trade their freedom for some convenience by just handing their digital lives to Google though, which to me is crazy, but apparently how the majority thinks.

Yes. The big red flag here is that these are people who should know better. Not like the ordinary folks who may be ignorant about it to some extend.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by goku12 »

knowitnone3 wrote: post #265
liendolucas wrote: post #158

No one tech-savvy wants this. We are already sick of Google's Android lockdowns on mobile phones, and now coming after laptops and desktops? What's that going to be like? Will developers have to beg to have control over devices they own? Will we be locked down on the store and have to manually install "unverified" software? Will I be able to take screenshots at will on MY computer, or get a black screen because Googl…

The question is who is more evil. Microsoft or Google and my pick is Microsoft.

PC is one of the last remaining platforms where you don't have to choose one evil or the other. There are multiple other fair options which all are honestly better at this point, despite the incessant complaints by those who are never satisfied by them. The only thing needed to lose that refuge as well is for the consumers to simply ignore all those options and concede the market to a new overlord. Soon, we will have another locked down platform under a duopoly.

This is the utterly predictable path it's going to go down, if the consumers continue to behave like this. Yet, some people are very uncomfortable when this is mentioned. I wonder who's so excited about yet another walled platform.

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Post by wkat4242 »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #253
wkat4242 wrote: post #241

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No but many people do. Try getting something by Linus and his kernel team lol. Good luck!

There have been many long live security issues that have been in popular open source software - including Linux

Yes sure but not intentional ones.

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Post by goku12 »

rayiner wrote: post #231
liendolucas wrote: post #158

No one tech-savvy wants this. We are already sick of Google's Android lockdowns on mobile phones, and now coming after laptops and desktops? What's that going to be like? Will developers have to beg to have control over devices they own? Will we be locked down on the store and have to manually install "unverified" software? Will I be able to take screenshots at will on MY computer, or get a black screen because Googl…

The era of "tech-savvy" adults is going to have been limited to later Gen X and millenials. My zoomer brother and sister in law are no more tech-savvy than my boomer parents. It's all locked down, for their own good.

> It's all locked down, for their own good.

Even while neglecting how silly it is to judge two entire generations as incompetent, I assure you that 'they' here aren't your zoomer brother and SIL or your boomer parents. If you think that someone is benevolently locking all these devices and platforms down to protect your kin from themselves, you are painfully behind in your understanding of capitalism. Please find a new dead horse to beat instead of this thoroughly refuted justification. I don't understand why people fail to recognize these patterns of exploitation and do something about it, despite the repeated abuse they endure. Is it Stockholm syndrome?

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #268
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been many long live security issues that have been in popular open source software - including Linux

Yes sure but not intentional ones.

Actually sometimes it is intentional.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/06/xz-uti...

That’s just one we know about it.

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