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Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by dotancohen »

xandrius wrote: post #74
dotancohen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The state needs to make some changes to how content is licensed to prevent monopoly. Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. Now you could argue that some (much) older works are part of culture, and being exposed to that culture is necessary to function in society. But that then becomes an issue of how long copyright is necessary or reasonable. New works most…

Yeah but think of any other piece of media and how people might be forced to start a brand new subscription just to see it. It's not about Mickey Mouse but it's about you wanting to watch the next season of something and having to make a choice: either submit to the monopoly or skip. Consumer protection should be there to prevent this kind of abuse of IP. Imagine if every single individual piece of art was in its own…

Actually, most art is housed in either private locations or paid museums. Certainly most well-known art. You pay the owner of e.g. the Louvre to see e.g. the Mona Lisa.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by account42 »

dotancohen wrote: post #60
chii wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how they ruined the opportunity presented netflix didn't really ruin it themselves (at least, not completely) - the owner of the licensed content did, by wanting a bigger cut of the pie. Disney, for example, didn't feel they're paid enough, and so stopped licensing the content out to netflix and instead created a competing service. I think this is a regulatory issue, because each piece of content is an effective is…

> The state needs to make some changes to how content is licensed to prevent monopoly. Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. Now you could argue that some (much) older works are part of culture, and being exposed to that culture is necessary to function in society. But that then becomes an issue of how long copyright is necessary or reasonable. New works most…

You got this the wrong way around: If no one needs Mickey Mouse then why should we so severely restrict everyone's speech to encourage its creation.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by account42 »

philipallstar wrote: post #88
xandrius wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but think of any other piece of media and how people might be forced to start a brand new subscription just to see it. It's not about Mickey Mouse but it's about you wanting to watch the next season of something and having to make a choice: either submit to the monopoly or skip. Consumer protection should be there to prevent this kind of abuse of IP. Imagine if every single individual piece of art was in its own…

None of this is abuse. It's a leisure activity that you have to pay for, and people have the right to sell their work how they like. It's not exactly access to clean running water.

They only have that right because society has deemed it beneficial for everyone to give them that right. If it is no longer beneficial overall then they should no longer have that right.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by account42 »

bogdan wrote: post #59
qmr wrote: post #27

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It would take you all of five minutes to modify your remote so it can never be pressed again.

Without destroying the button? and consistently on every type of remote out there that has a netflix button? How?

Why would you care about destroying the button if you never need it?

But placing a piece of tape or something else non-conductive between the rubber cap and contacts should do the trick fairly non-destructively.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by troupo »

watwut wrote: post #105
troupo wrote: post #102

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> You can happily ignore Disney. You are elevating it to status it does not have to have. I'm not eleveating Disney to anything. It already is at that level . It owns huge swaths of, well, everything spanning back decades. For example there was a minor viral news that Winnie the Pooh finally entered public domain. Well, Disney owned it exclusively from 1953 to 2021. All of it, from print to video. Pooh is just the mo…

There are hundreds minor viral news about a lot of stuff daily. I am not even trying to keep up with it all. > Next time you watch a movie you like or even read a book you like there's a very high chance it's owned by Disney (or some other huge license holder). And in all seriousness, very likely not, because the ones you keep mentioning are not the stuff I would read or my kids would read. My kids do watch some supe…

> There are hundreds minor viral news about a lot of stuff daily. I am not even trying to keep up with it all.

Yup. The gist of my text was that it was viral news, and not Disney owning exclusive copyright on a chunk of human culture for 70 years.

> the ones you keep mentioning are not the stuff I would read or my kids would read.

Yes, because all examples should be 100% directly applicable to you, and you alone, and if a few examples don't, then nothing matters.

> My kids do watch some superheroes, I dont

"It's something my kids would never read but look this is exactly what my kids are interested in but it's completely irrelevant because I, me, I, mine".

And yes Disney is not just superheroes. And for better or worse superheroes are a huge part of the American culture, and Disney owns a huge chunk of it (either through direct ownership of Marvel, or through licenses and deals it got when acquiring US TV and film producers).

> But, Disney is really not necessary and ignoring it is perfectly workable strategy.

Yup. "I never" somehow turned into "my kids watch superheroes" but you didn't even catch on to that.

BTW, if you have favorite movies, a lot of them are owned by Disney. If not by Disney, but then by some other huge conglomerate. The books you read are owned by a few huge publishing houses. Most music you listen to is owned by at most 4 companies etc.

Disney is just a very convenient example.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by philipallstar »

account42 wrote: post #113
philipallstar wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this is abuse. It's a leisure activity that you have to pay for, and people have the right to sell their work how they like. It's not exactly access to clean running water.

They only have that right because society has deemed it beneficial for everyone to give them that right. If it is no longer beneficial overall then they should no longer have that right.

If you want to abolish private property in the name of watching things on Netflix then that's your choice, of course.

Unless we see the horror that lack of private property rights has visited on people over the centuries and deem your right to believe things to no longer be beneficial overall.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by troupo »

dotancohen wrote: post #111
xandrius wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but think of any other piece of media and how people might be forced to start a brand new subscription just to see it. It's not about Mickey Mouse but it's about you wanting to watch the next season of something and having to make a choice: either submit to the monopoly or skip. Consumer protection should be there to prevent this kind of abuse of IP. Imagine if every single individual piece of art was in its own…

Actually, most art is housed in either private locations or paid museums. Certainly most well-known art. You pay the owner of e.g. the Louvre to see e.g. the Mona Lisa.

> You pay the owner of e.g. the Louvre to see e.g. the Mona Lisa.

That owner is the French state that heavily subsidises The Louvre. On top of that no one prevents you from taking pictures or videos of Mona Lisa, re-drawing it any way you like, and posting those photos and videos and drawings and what not anywhere.

Additionally, there's nothing preventing museums just exhibiting their collections anywhere, and they do that frequently.

Meanwhile Disney not only has exclusive rights to an insane amount of properties [1], they will sue you for breach of copyright.

[1] My favorite example is Winnie the Pooh. Disney had exclusive rights to the character and stories for 70 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh#Disney_exclusi...

So while (most) of the Western world was/is in the chokehold of Disney, other parts of the world had completely different takes on the character: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlk7O2-rnQs

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by loco5niner »

bogdan wrote: post #59
qmr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would take you all of five minutes to modify your remote so it can never be pressed again.

Without destroying the button? and consistently on every type of remote out there that has a netflix button? How?

I was able to take the little rubber piece out of the remote. just left 4 little openings.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by throw0101c »

silisili wrote: post #11

It's weird. When Netflix came about, I was excited to dump all the bespoke pirating stuff that it replaced. I didn't mind paying for content, in fact, I was glad to. Fast forward a while, and now Netflix seems to be an undiscoverable mess of old and foreign content while charging twice as much. Each IP owner felt it necessary to make their own way worse clone, and still, after paying more than a hundred a month, ther…

> Each IP owner felt it necessary to make their own way worse clone, and still, after paying more than a hundred a month, there are things just not available on any of them.

I wonder how hard—technically/legally, not 'politically'—it would be to create a 'neutral' streaming service where all the major studios and IP holders could become a part of as a part of a co-op (?).

After costs are taken care of, the holder of the IP would get the leftover profits proportional to the number of minutes their content was viewed in any given pay period.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by bbatha »

chii wrote: post #17
silisili wrote: post #11

It's weird. When Netflix came about, I was excited to dump all the bespoke pirating stuff that it replaced. I didn't mind paying for content, in fact, I was glad to. Fast forward a while, and now Netflix seems to be an undiscoverable mess of old and foreign content while charging twice as much. Each IP owner felt it necessary to make their own way worse clone, and still, after paying more than a hundred a month, ther…

> how they ruined the opportunity presented netflix didn't really ruin it themselves (at least, not completely) - the owner of the licensed content did, by wanting a bigger cut of the pie. Disney, for example, didn't feel they're paid enough, and so stopped licensing the content out to netflix and instead created a competing service. I think this is a regulatory issue, because each piece of content is an effective is…

Don't forget shortening copyrights would have a major impact on this issue as well! 25 year copyright would make most of these libraries public domain. Then the price would truly reflect what we would all like to be subsidizing: the new stuff.

Does the rights to Friends being traded around for the Nth time really benefit anyone?

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