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Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by troupo »

dotancohen wrote: post #60
chii wrote: post #17

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> how they ruined the opportunity presented netflix didn't really ruin it themselves (at least, not completely) - the owner of the licensed content did, by wanting a bigger cut of the pie. Disney, for example, didn't feel they're paid enough, and so stopped licensing the content out to netflix and instead created a competing service. I think this is a regulatory issue, because each piece of content is an effective is…

> The state needs to make some changes to how content is licensed to prevent monopoly. Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. Now you could argue that some (much) older works are part of culture, and being exposed to that culture is necessary to function in society. But that then becomes an issue of how long copyright is necessary or reasonable. New works most…

> Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it.

As if Disney only owned original content like Mickey Mouse. Or as if Disney didn't own huge swaths of culture.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by matips »

silisili wrote: post #11

It's weird. When Netflix came about, I was excited to dump all the bespoke pirating stuff that it replaced. I didn't mind paying for content, in fact, I was glad to. Fast forward a while, and now Netflix seems to be an undiscoverable mess of old and foreign content while charging twice as much. Each IP owner felt it necessary to make their own way worse clone, and still, after paying more than a hundred a month, ther…

Corporations care primarily about their position relative to other corporations; you and piracy is not concerns for them. Disney, Warner Bross and similar media corporations fears monopoly of Netflix. You cannot harm them thru piracy, Netflix can.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by troupo »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #75
chii wrote: post #17

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> how they ruined the opportunity presented netflix didn't really ruin it themselves (at least, not completely) - the owner of the licensed content did, by wanting a bigger cut of the pie. Disney, for example, didn't feel they're paid enough, and so stopped licensing the content out to netflix and instead created a competing service. I think this is a regulatory issue, because each piece of content is an effective is…

I mean.. if Netflix offered Disney more money then they wouldn't have felt it necessary to launch their own service. I think they simply underpayed or overplayed their cards. It's hard to imagine Disney with it's own service is getting the same amount of people viewing its content. Having the services fractured just ends up with everyone making less money. Both the streaming services and the IP holders Its possible D…

> if Netflix offered Disney more money then they wouldn't have felt it necessary to launch their own service

Oh. "Just" offer them more money. Where would that money come from, exactly?

> Its possible Disney just completely overestimates how much they can make on their own

You underestimate how much content Disney owns, and how much of it is basically free for them ar this time

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by Levitating »

troupo wrote: post #81
dotancohen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The state needs to make some changes to how content is licensed to prevent monopoly. Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. Now you could argue that some (much) older works are part of culture, and being exposed to that culture is necessary to function in society. But that then becomes an issue of how long copyright is necessary or reasonable. New works most…

> Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. As if Disney only owned original content like Mickey Mouse. Or as if Disney didn't own huge swaths of culture.

Hot take, we don't _need_ Marvel or Star Wars either.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by gloxkiqcza »

whstl wrote: post #32
Semaphor wrote: post #12

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For underground artists, spotify is piracy with extra steps, often literally only paying in exposure .

Thanks to special backroom deals with the three majors, Spotify only really pays to a small majority in the Top N. It doesn't matter if you only listen to one artist the whole month, your money is still going to Taylor Swift. There is no point in paying for streaming. Just pirate it and give your money to your favourite artists by buying merchandise or vinyl.

> There is no point in paying for streaming

Spotify is so cheap that it is worth it for the convenience alone. Not to mention Spotify is legal while piracy is not.

However, I agree that if you enjoy music (or any other art/content) someone produces, it’s only fair (and natural) to support them in a more direct way.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by troupo »

bji9jhff wrote: post #55
silisili wrote: post #11

It's weird. When Netflix came about, I was excited to dump all the bespoke pirating stuff that it replaced. I didn't mind paying for content, in fact, I was glad to. Fast forward a while, and now Netflix seems to be an undiscoverable mess of old and foreign content while charging twice as much. Each IP owner felt it necessary to make their own way worse clone, and still, after paying more than a hundred a month, ther…

Being put in contact with foreign contents? Disgusting! /s More seriously, before Netflix I never knew how high-quality and fun was stuffs from all around the world. I watched great series from South Korea, Turkey, Jordan, Spain,France, Luxembourg, Germany, Scandinavian countries and South America. I also watched quite enjoyable movies from Nigeria. I probably forgot a few places too. Do Netflix has issues? Plenty. T…

> before Netflix I never knew how high-quality and fun was stuffs from all around the world.

The only reason Netflix brought them in is because the big copyright holders (Disney etc.) pulled most of their content from Netflix.

There were a few years when Netflix was a desert.

So, silver lining to every cloud I guess :)

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by troupo »

Levitating wrote: post #84
troupo wrote: post #81

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> Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. As if Disney only owned original content like Mickey Mouse. Or as if Disney didn't own huge swaths of culture.

Hot take, we don't _need_ Marvel or Star Wars either.

We don't need many things. Basically everything in our culture is things we don't need.

And yet the next time you find yourself watching that cozy Christmas movie you fondly remember, chances are its owned by Disney. As is that book you read to your kids. Etc.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by philipallstar »

xandrius wrote: post #74
dotancohen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The state needs to make some changes to how content is licensed to prevent monopoly. Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. Now you could argue that some (much) older works are part of culture, and being exposed to that culture is necessary to function in society. But that then becomes an issue of how long copyright is necessary or reasonable. New works most…

Yeah but think of any other piece of media and how people might be forced to start a brand new subscription just to see it. It's not about Mickey Mouse but it's about you wanting to watch the next season of something and having to make a choice: either submit to the monopoly or skip. Consumer protection should be there to prevent this kind of abuse of IP. Imagine if every single individual piece of art was in its own…

None of this is abuse. It's a leisure activity that you have to pay for, and people have the right to sell their work how they like. It's not exactly access to clean running water.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by watwut »

troupo wrote: post #81
dotancohen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The state needs to make some changes to how content is licensed to prevent monopoly. Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. Now you could argue that some (much) older works are part of culture, and being exposed to that culture is necessary to function in society. But that then becomes an issue of how long copyright is necessary or reasonable. New works most…

> Why? Nobody _needs_ Mickey Mouse. If the price for Mickey Mouse is too high, just don't buy it. As if Disney only owned original content like Mickey Mouse. Or as if Disney didn't own huge swaths of culture.

You can happily ignore Disney. You are elevating it to status it does not have to have.

Yes copyright should be shorter. Yes, these companies abuse artists to the maximum they can away with. But there is zero reason to create state monopoly around this.

Re: What you can get for the price of a Netflix subscription

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Post by philipallstar »

rusk wrote: post #66
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #62

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Wouldn’t Disney just set an insanely high license fee in this case though? If they’re just paying it to themselves then they can make it high enough that nobody else can justify paying it.

I don’t think such an obvious scheme could escape the view of the monopoly laws could it?

I don't think you can have a monopoly on stuff you own. That's like saying I have a monopoly on my own house.
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