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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Decoder ring for nerds who are unable to read past words like "neoliberal colonizer" without racing to the nearest TEXTAREA: * A black coworker is singled out by another (non-black) coworker with "watch out for that guy, he’s trouble, he talks a lot of shit" * Referring to a latino coworker, that same coworker suggests jokes: "Like ‘you’re a mexican whore’ or like ‘your mother’s a Mexican whore?" * The black coworker…

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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Decoder ring for nerds who are unable to read past words like "neoliberal colonizer" without racing to the nearest TEXTAREA: * A black coworker is singled out by another (non-black) coworker with "watch out for that guy, he’s trouble, he talks a lot of shit" * Referring to a latino coworker, that same coworker suggests jokes: "Like ‘you’re a mexican whore’ or like ‘your mother’s a Mexican whore?" * The black coworker…

"I agree, but some of his content will be a barrier for some people. I'm sure if the tone of the post was milder, most of the comments here would be supportive."

-- too typical a response

"Peppered throughout the post are cultural signs and signifiers that mark the author as an advocate for a fairly specific set of political and social beliefs."

-- completely irrelevant to assessing the facts of the case

As a white male, I'm very disappointed by how many in the HN community have responded to this story. The victim- and let me emphasize, this individual is a victim- has every right to feel and express any number of hostile feelings toward the perps involved and, furthermore, has the right to express his frustration at how racist behavior was openly exhibited in front of so many employees, with no consequences whatsoever. In fact, you have to wonder why none of his white colleagues stood up and objected to some of the more colorful remarks made in the presence of others. Is it really that difficult to understand why he might perceive all the whites in his office as a$$holes? His story isn't merely an indictment of a few managers, but of a culture (and yes, a white culture) that absolutely tolerated racism both at an individual and collective level. These incidents didn't only occur behind a closed door. Is or was this culture present in only one SF company? After what this individual was subjected to, you have to be incredibly small minded to feel offended by the fact that his language reveals frustration or antagonism toward whites.

By the way, I've also seen racism exhibited toward Asian immigrants- not the rockstar programmers matriculated in the US- but recent immigrants holding lower level positions. Let's not pretend that racism doesn't exist in SF by brushing off depictions of racism as a consequence of intrinsic racism on the part of the accuser.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the OP: Also, at some point after this conversation took place, one of the women looked at my prized necklace and said “Hey, that looks like a calculator, is that a calculator?” I said “um no, it’s a necklace, it’s African, from Nairobi.” And she replies “Oh, huh…..well, it looks like a calculator.” Dumbwhite------ If this is an accurate recollection, the author is a seriously disturbed person who should not be…

And that's not even to mention that this kind of office culture is actually illegal in our great nation, land of the free and home of the brave Are you sarcastically implying that this kind of office culture should be legal in a civilized society?

It's certainly one of the freedoms we used to have:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

As for "civilized," you can make up your own mind...

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, then props to him for knowing how to keep his private feelings and thoughts out of the workplace.

At least by his own recollection. Anyone who is harboring that kind of hostility, whatever the cause, is going to exude pretty strange vibes in person. What's disturbing to me is not that an obviously talented young person like the OP has these kinds of issues. He'll almost certainly grow out of them. It's that so many older, wiser people, who obviously don't have personal problems of their own, seem intent on encour…

So are you saying that "strange vibes" should be a firing offense in an office run like the one the author describes? If not, what are you getting at? To me, it sounds like the author regularly has to deal with discrimination being both black and gay. Some will respond to this with indifference, others bravado. There is nothing immature, as you imply, about a bitter and withdrawn response to this. To claim that he is some innately hostile person ("harboring that kind of hostility") says an awful lot about how you reason about power dynamics.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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A couple other commenters have mentioned this but in case the author is reading I want to emphasize the importance of winning the rhetorical war before you proceed to fight the fight you actually care about. As with any story a reader wants to like the characters they are reading about. It's hard to like someone who is constantly angry, depressed, sarcastic, and bitter. You, as a person may feel these things, and be…

Well obviously with 100+ upvotes the author is likable enough and didn't need to use slimy positivity or other tricks.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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post #175
post #3

"We don’t even tolerate people brining up concerns of racism here." Translation: "we don't want to admit that we have a toxic, racist corporate culture so we're going to blame the messenger." The emphasis here is on racism, but there's a ton of casual sexism -- and I'd be surprised if ageism wasn't present, too. This is, at best, a company where HR have taken their eye off the ball. More likely, there are serious ins…

From the OP: Also, at some point after this conversation took place, one of the women looked at my prized necklace and said “Hey, that looks like a calculator, is that a calculator?” I said “um no, it’s a necklace, it’s African, from Nairobi.” And she replies “Oh, huh…..well, it looks like a calculator.” Dumbwhite------ If this is an accurate recollection, the author is a seriously disturbed person who should not be…

This isn't "typical young male style"; it's typical douchebag style. If only they had the wit to at least be funny. Sometimes witty charm can go a long way. But these guys just seem like boring, unintelligent, run-of-the-mill idiots. Oh, and I wouldn't even dare call this "humor", coarse or not. You've now insulted the rich, long history of the term.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything, he was dressed closer to NWA or Public Enemy. Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with his lyrical abilities.

... wow. Just .... wow. You may disagree with his fashion sense, but this man is smartly dressed. I don't see any Raiders jackets, or any baggy jeans/tee-shirts. Just because his clothing is not mainstream and he is black DOES NOT make it hip-hop fashion. While we're on the topic, note the shoes in particular, very nice, especially for a guy struggling to afford a bedroom in Oakland.

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Re: Racism at a gaming company

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post #29

"Dumbblack " "then proceeds to do what black men always can’t help but do" "black men always telling which way is up because they feel they are the “authority” when it comes to any and everything, most often when they don’t know shit about shit" " I know when black people start to speak down to me from their pedatsol which is white privilege, they aren’t listening, nor will they" "I cannot afford to take black people…

There are several definitions of racist talk, one is essentially "making references to someone's race and implying everyone in that group is the same (in some attribute)". Lots of people like this definition because it's nice and simple and it means black people in the USA can be racist to white people if they say things like "Dumbwhite". There's another definition, which is talk that's designed to maintain & reinfor…

>There's another definition, which is talk that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among races.

I generally think it's safer to frame in terms of the effect (which you mostly do) than motivation. Even if someone has no ill intent, and simply talks a certain way because they haven't really thought about the issues, their speech still does harm.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

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Decoder ring for nerds who are unable to read past words like "neoliberal colonizer" without racing to the nearest TEXTAREA: * A black coworker is singled out by another (non-black) coworker with "watch out for that guy, he’s trouble, he talks a lot of shit" * Referring to a latino coworker, that same coworker suggests jokes: "Like ‘you’re a mexican whore’ or like ‘your mother’s a Mexican whore?" * The black coworker…

> Apart from the comment about the pendant, any one of the comments listed above would be a firing offense here. You know, it occurs to me that it's kinda sad that "firing offense" is the highest degree of punishment we have available to inflict. It's our proxy for social exile, but it's not actually social exile. That doesn't seem enough, but jailing and fining don't seem to fit either.

This is something I find interesting. AFAIK in the US because of free speech nobody can really do anything in law regarding racism. In the UK in the last few years there have been several high profile cases of racial abuse on Twitter and the racists have gotten jail time (one example at the bottom of the article linked below).

Protecting free speech is important. However most people probably agree there should be a line drawn (for example I doubt anyone would object to a group like the KKK being banned). The problem is enforcing that line fairly and not punishing people for speech that should be allowed is too difficult.

It's an interesting and important problem and becoming more so now that everyone has the means of reaching an audience online.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/26/police-alleged-raci...

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