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Re: Racism at a gaming company

#101
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

Between the racist PoS featured in the story, and the author's various nasties about "white neoliberal imperialist blah blah blah", the above quote is my take on things.

I'll also add that articles meant to elicit rage are usually not great; they're often intended to shut down one's thinking processes, and lead to heated discussions.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#103
post #26

>I cannot afford to take white people’s shit anymore. That’s been my mantra this year, and I’m still on it, even if that means getting the law involved. From the comment above (and several other parts of his article) he certainly appears to be just as racist as the people he's trying to demonize. Not to mention there's a crazy amount of self entitlement going on. >I had a whole month of potential creative and communi…

Are you serious? You read the description of events in the author's post and your response is to complain about how you have it worse because you're busy?

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#104

I quit reading once I realized I was reading a gay man denouncing gentrifiers as being "neoliberal colonizers". Ugh... he may have experienced racism but he's also suffering from self delusion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator

I dunno if he's just angry, I guess it makes sense, but I agree that some of his comments seem off, like he has "problems" beyond the situation, these are just as racist: Also, at some point after this conversation took place, one of the women looked at my prized necklace and said “Hey, that looks like a calculator, is that a calculator?” I said “um no, it’s a necklace, it’s African, from Nairobi.” And she replies “O…

I agree with the general point that the author's own baggage nudges him toward an archetype I find exhausting.

But the 'educate' bit is on-point. It's similar to womens complaints about "mansplaining". It's not tit-for-tat racism; it's identifying a common behavior that objectively (and for nigh-on-tautological reasons) is something only really done by white men.

And as to the "white people's shit": that does strike me as tit-for-tat racism.

But just as I wouldn't judge any of the dude-bros at that company for their failure to be perfectly enlightened beings when they hurl a given thoughtless remark, I certainly can't find the moral high-ground to judge anyone who's, daily, on the receiving end of such nonsense for lashing out in kind while venting.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#105
post #29

"Dumbblack " "then proceeds to do what black men always can’t help but do" "black men always telling which way is up because they feel they are the “authority” when it comes to any and everything, most often when they don’t know shit about shit" " I know when black people start to speak down to me from their pedatsol which is white privilege, they aren’t listening, nor will they" "I cannot afford to take black people…

There are several definitions of racist talk, one is essentially "making references to someone's race and implying everyone in that group is the same (in some attribute)". Lots of people like this definition because it's nice and simple and it means black people in the USA can be racist to white people if they say things like "Dumbwhite".

There's another definition, which is talk that's designed to maintain & reinforce the institutionalised power structure among races. Right now, if modern USA life was a video game, "white male" would be an easier difficulty level than "black male". There are statistically less problems for the "white male" group. Racist talk is talk that re-enforced that imbalance. This definition is harder for some people to accept because it means that you need to look at yourself and think about what power imbalances you might be benefiting from, and it means you can't just do s/white/black/g and make it just as racist.

So no, it's more racist to say "dumbblack" than "dumbwhite"

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#106
post #44
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WHO CARES? Yes, let's suspend his Guardian Of Society Medal Of Honor until we sort his personal politics out. Meanwhile, this guy says that management at a large SF gaming company is routinely harassing black and latino staff members. The story here isn't about him .

> WHO CARES? It unnecessarily adds doubt to the claims being made. If your narrator has an agenda it becomes difficult to trust that narrator.

Of course he has an agenda! How could he NOT have an agenda if even HALF of the things in this post actually happened to him?

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#107
post #57
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I quit reading once I realized I was reading a gay man denouncing gentrifiers Why does his sexual orientation factor into his credibility for you?

I don't think he is referring to the sexual orientation alone.

from his comment, he does factor it in.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#108
Huh, what?

I find it hard to take seriously a rant on racism in the work place where, on not just one but several occasions, refer to someone who is being ignorant as a "dumbwhitemotherfucker".

Yeah, not buying it.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#109
post #29

"Dumbblack " "then proceeds to do what black men always can’t help but do" "black men always telling which way is up because they feel they are the “authority” when it comes to any and everything, most often when they don’t know shit about shit" " I know when black people start to speak down to me from their pedatsol which is white privilege, they aren’t listening, nor will they" "I cannot afford to take black people…

It's possible this guy is a jerk and that this company is a bunch of assholes. You don't minimize one party's guilt by pointing out the other party's guilt.

EDIT: plus, it's easy for me to avoid dealing with this guy. I won't be his friend. But I really worry about the culture of the software industry, and if Kixeye spreads to mean more asshole workplaces, that's something that's a lot harder to avoid.

Re: Racism at a gaming company

#110
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno if he's just angry, I guess it makes sense, but I agree that some of his comments seem off, like he has "problems" beyond the situation, these are just as racist: Also, at some point after this conversation took place, one of the women looked at my prized necklace and said “Hey, that looks like a calculator, is that a calculator?” I said “um no, it’s a necklace, it’s African, from Nairobi.” And she replies “O…

You have no clue what it's like living under constant racial abuse from white people, it might make you not like white people.

You have no clue what it's like [experiencing] constant [racism] from black people, it MIGHT make you not like black people, but for me it never has.
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