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Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by ReptileMan »

Mistletoe wrote: post #64
voidfunc wrote: post #2

Is Hokkaido defensible? Once China solves the Taiwan problem they're going to turn their sights on Korea and Japan.

If we aren’t already in a world war from China solving Taiwan as you say, we would be in one from China taking Korea or Japan.

Taiwan just the last remnant that the losing faction of the China civil war still holds. I don't think that China wants to conquer korea or japan. Having a vassal is usually cheaper than outright conquest and occupation. They just want the US vassals to switch to being China's

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by SenHeng »

HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #63
jack_tripper wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's with all this scaremongering around China gonna invade everything anytime soon? How many wars has China started? In my lifetime I've only seen one major county besides Russia having a habbit of starting illegal wars whenever geopolitics doesn't go its way and it's not China.

The South China Morning Post itself recently wrote on speculation that Beijing could try to challenge Tokyo’s control of Okinawa, given its history and proximity to Taiwan.[0] [0] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3333468/ch...

About a decade ago, some Chinese propagandists were encouraging calling Okinawa the Ryukyu kingdom and trying to ferment an independence campaign. It didn’t get too far.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by gsky »

kamaal wrote: post #66
laughing_man wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has started border skirmishes with India every twenty years or so since the founding of the PRC. And then there's Tibet. Just because they haven't initiated a mass invasion of Eastern Siberia you shouldn't get the idea China isn't pursuing an expansionist foreign policy.

Speaking as an Indian. Most of these are just diplomatic flexing of muscles which mostly reduce to literally nothing. There is not going to a be a war in the modern context. Secondly, only one war has happened between China and India, in which arguably we Indians kind of started it- Read here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_policy_(Sino-Indian_co... """ The forward policy had Nehru identify a set of strategies…

Nonsense. China occupied big chunch of Indian land. They will be a big war sooner or later. It's just how the world works

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by testdelacc1 »

rfoo wrote: post #33
laughing_man wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has started border skirmishes with India every twenty years or so since the founding of the PRC. And then there's Tibet. Just because they haven't initiated a mass invasion of Eastern Siberia you shouldn't get the idea China isn't pursuing an expansionist foreign policy.

China maintain the view that Tibet is part of China since the establishment of PRC, and they make this very explicit. Same for their border disputes with India. China never admitted that they believe it's not theirs. Mea while China does not ever say that Japan or Korea is part of China (and it's the only reason why they keep North Korea from collapsing despite it being super annoying). So, again, any example of Chin…

> Perhaps there are not many instances in history where one country has gone out of her way to be friendly and cooperative with the government and people of another country and to plead their cause in the councils of the world, and then that country returns evil for good

Jawaharlal Nehru (India’s Prime Minister), on the day that China launched an unprovoked surprise war against India in 1962. It was a crushing victory for China, and they grabbed all their territory they wanted. More can always be said but here’s a 2 minute video that explains the war - https://youtu.be/zCePMVvl1ek

You know how Mao said diplomacy flows from the barrel of a gun? That wasn’t a metaphor. That is PRC policy since 1949.

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Post by constantcrying »

As a European I have to say I am extremely jealous of a government with the willingness of doing something as radical as this.

Europe desperately needs to secure its own semi conductor supply chain. Neither the EU nor any member states seems willing to do anything about this though.

Europe still is in a position, where it feasibly could control 100% of the semiconductor value chain on the continent. But besides meaning posturing there is nothing being done.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by danielscrubs »

axiolite wrote: post #34
TheThirdNuke wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine has a proper army and the support of Europe, albeit with dated weapons. Japan has neither and it's dubious whether the United States would step in. Hokkaido has always been under threat from Russia and the Soviets quickly took the Kuril Islands, which wasn't even originally theirs.

> Japan has neither and it's dubious whether the United States would step in. There is NO QUESTION the US would provide a full defense of Japan against any aggressive party. The US has multiple military bases in Japan, with 35,000+ military personnel. Japan pays the US billions every year to support the US military presence there. Japan is also a too-big-to-fail economy (4th in the world) and US trading partner. And…

The Budapest Memorandum (1994) gave assurances, that the U.S. would militarily intervene or defend Ukraine under attack like an alliance-treaty.

Ukraine surrendered the sharpest tool in its arsenal for those assurances, its inherited nuclear arsenal, the world’s third-largest at the time. But the loss was broader than warheads; it was the surrender of a strategic future.

America first means America first. All politicians will say one thing and do another, always check the incentives…

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by kamaal »

gsky wrote: post #73
kamaal wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as an Indian. Most of these are just diplomatic flexing of muscles which mostly reduce to literally nothing. There is not going to a be a war in the modern context. Secondly, only one war has happened between China and India, in which arguably we Indians kind of started it- Read here- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_policy_(Sino-Indian_co... """ The forward policy had Nehru identify a set of strategies…

Nonsense. China occupied big chunch of Indian land. They will be a big war sooner or later. It's just how the world works

You want us(Indians) and Chinese to go to war. We stubbornly refuse to.

Both countries, have now have growing economies with stable politics, and social direction. Things can only get better from here, and will.

Whatever issues exist, we resolve by talking. Often, a few give and take moves are needed, which are mostly ok. Because way bigger good things await these both nations. And we want them.

Either way there is no theatre. The Himalayas make a large wall and ensure no big border conflict can even happen. Even through missiles. The remainder is irrelevant, and both parties are more than happy to just keep talking until some agreement is in place, which even without isn't much of an issue with regards to economy, resources or anything.

Much ado about nothing!

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by mono442 »

constantcrying wrote: post #75

As a European I have to say I am extremely jealous of a government with the willingness of doing something as radical as this. Europe desperately needs to secure its own semi conductor supply chain. Neither the EU nor any member states seems willing to do anything about this though. Europe still is in a position, where it feasibly could control 100% of the semiconductor value chain on the continent. But besides meani…

At least European countries excel at introducing new regulations and taxes.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by Braxton1980 »

noduerme wrote: post #68
rich_sasha wrote: post #58

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It would be darkly amusing if all chips come from either politically unstable Taiwan or seismically unstable Hokkaido. But then Japan seems amazing at producing all sorts of other delicate things, despite all of its soil being basically built out of earthquakes, so I guess they have this bit figured out.

That's not even a tough call if you had to lay odds on which would go offline first. Is "politically unstable" once again an acceptable euphemism for a small democracy being threatened with destruction by a totalitarian superpower? I thought we decided that was gauche. After, say, the German invasion of Czechoslovakia.

I don't think China wants to destroy Taiwan. They want it to be a part of China.

Re: Japan's gamble to turn island of Hokkaido into global chip hub

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Post by dmurray »

rfoo wrote: post #33
laughing_man wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has started border skirmishes with India every twenty years or so since the founding of the PRC. And then there's Tibet. Just because they haven't initiated a mass invasion of Eastern Siberia you shouldn't get the idea China isn't pursuing an expansionist foreign policy.

China maintain the view that Tibet is part of China since the establishment of PRC, and they make this very explicit. Same for their border disputes with India. China never admitted that they believe it's not theirs. Mea while China does not ever say that Japan or Korea is part of China (and it's the only reason why they keep North Korea from collapsing despite it being super annoying). So, again, any example of Chin…

Don't most people maintain the view that Tibet is part of PRC China? They might think further autonomy or independence for it would be a good thing, like the Basque Country, but the control isn't really disputed right now. And nobody really seems to think it should be part of India.

In contrast to Taiwan, where the governments in both Beijing and Taipei officially maintain that those places are part of the same country, and the international community sometimes pretends the same and only recognises one government, but de facto everyone trades with both countries and deals with both governments.

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