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McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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My lower middle class family of 4 kids was raised on $1 McChicken sandwiches through my teen years. I don't know if there is an equivalent today.

In the 90s I knew families who’d buy bags of McDonald’s $0.29 hamburgers (I think the special sale day was Wednesday) and live on that for the rest of the week.

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At least from my perspective, COVID broke everything. People are more awful, quality is more awful, and prices are way up. I dread even eating out anymore as I fully expect to overpay for bad food and service. There's an argument to be made that inflation is ultimately the driver of all three complaints, but boy did that all happen seemingly overnight.

100%. My wife thinks I’m crazy, but every issue she observes my answer tends to have its root in covid. An economy is an ecosystem and it’s been seriously knocked out of balance by covid, annd the fuel issues aa a consequence of Russias war hasn’t helped either. Everything that was, no longer is.

You’re not crazy and don’t let your wife say that to you, since it’s clearly ignorance or possibly rationalization to justify her positions during that time. People will rationalize immensely just to avoid having to admit they were wrong in general or also possibly that they contributed to their own consequences.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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The folic acid helps prevent certain complications early on in pregnancy.

As long as you, or your child, aren't one of the 60%+ of people who can't properly break it down. In that case, all of the "enriched" bread, folic acid, certain forms of vitamin B, will be difficult to process (often causing problems). https://www.mygenefood.com/blog/mthfr-and-folic-acid-build-u... Folate, folinic acid: those are safe to take, and pass through, for the entire population.

If you’re going to go so far as downvote, at least acknowledge the fact that it’s a debated topic in the field, and that you disagree with the new findings because [].

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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I’m trying to be illustrative through glibness here, but… If consumers can’t afford the prices required to pay a restaurant’s labor living wages, then perhaps they’re not viable customers of that restaurant. Minimum wages above the market-set rate are a form of price control. The distorting effects of price controls—in this case, contributing to shortages of low-margin restaurant meals—are economically inevitable.

You are correct. But how do we address the wealth inequality in America?

I like Michael Hudson's answer: repress financial rent-seeking. Inequality is driven by rents that siphon wealth from the productive economy. Therefore: nationalize natural monopolies and destroy monopolies of privilege.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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My grandmother cooked daily and taught her kids to cook. My mother cooked weekly and taught us to use the microwave. Sure anyone can learn to cook, just like anyone can learn to play the piano, but it requires time, money, dedication, and the push to get started. It’s much easier if you were taught some of the basics as a kid, or had an example in your life.

It still baffles me that people compare cooking to playing an instrument. It really is not that difficult to cook, depending on what it is. Do people know how to make schnitzel (breadcrumbed meat)? Make fries? Make rice? Make boiled potatoes? Or are those things difficult as well? Making a stew out of legumes is not that difficult either. Boil your legumes, then mix eggs, flour, and paprika together, put it in oil, h…

You could open a trendy restaurant in SV called 'Soup Kitchen' serving various stews and goulashes and I am confident it would do very well.

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It is unusual to see young people make the choices to not turn into patients. It costs very little to eat mostly lentils/legumes/nuts/yogurt/vegetables, and drink mostly water without carbs dissolved in it, but no business is going to survive selling those things.

Where is the next cheap lentils/legumes/nuts/yogurt/vegetables fast food restaurant? I think it's a weird concept of a society where all the parts of it with money are directing people to do one thing - but at the same time, the people are expected to do the exact opposite and it's their own fault if they follow the coercion...

Pollan touches on this in The Omnivore's Dilemma. The low price of a burger is an illusion because the real costs to the environment and public health are externalized, making fast food artificially cheap due to indirect subsidies on corn byproducts and other animal feed. Healthy food competes on a totally different cost base.

There's also the split between eating with agency and just consuming which requires a top down solution. Unless the government stops subsidizing meat and corn subproducts linked to health issues the majority of people will always gravitate towards the cheapest calories available.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Omnivore%27s_Dilemma

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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I’m trying to be illustrative through glibness here, but… If consumers can’t afford the prices required to pay a restaurant’s labor living wages, then perhaps they’re not viable customers of that restaurant. Minimum wages above the market-set rate are a form of price control. The distorting effects of price controls—in this case, contributing to shortages of low-margin restaurant meals—are economically inevitable.

Wage is not a determining factor for McDonald's pricing and has nothing to do with that. They successfully converted from a neighborhood fast food shop into a new chain of automats with almost no staff once touchscreens got cheap enough and the necessary software could be suitably amortized. They ditched the employees, minimized community features like playplaces and tables, dropped the low margin dollar menu that ma…

OK so what’s the problem then? Surely if McDonald’s made their own decision to move up-market, competitors have swooped in to serve the customers they’re leaving behind?

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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100%. My wife thinks I’m crazy, but every issue she observes my answer tends to have its root in covid. An economy is an ecosystem and it’s been seriously knocked out of balance by covid, annd the fuel issues aa a consequence of Russias war hasn’t helped either. Everything that was, no longer is.

You’re not crazy and don’t let your wife say that to you, since it’s clearly ignorance or possibly rationalization to justify her positions during that time. People will rationalize immensely just to avoid having to admit they were wrong in general or also possibly that they contributed to their own consequences.

Don't worry, we know each other well enough at this stage. From her point of view I think she's tired of me relating every issue to covid (which is mostly correct).

But you're right, people can get caught in their own filter bubble, build walls and be defensive, rather than open their ears to a second opinion.

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>I certainly got tired of the people who decided the answer was to become antisocial and not even try to mitigate the risks, and then shame anyone who did. Lost a bit of my faith in humanity. Well, more than a bit, I think. The masks didn't do shit and neither did vaccinations. It was all scaremongering. Don't you get it? Israel had nearly 100% vaccination rate but didn't do any better than Gaza which had none. Masks…

Citation needed.

Use critical thinking. Google it yourself. Come to your own conclusions. Don't just believe whatever you see on CNN and MSNBC.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Perhaps this is a good thing? Are people eating healthier home-made foods now?

I do not think this is exactly true. People may stop eating junk outside. But having a healthy balanced diet is more expensive than buying junk and eating at home; and not only in money, but more importantly (maybe) in time. Cooking takes time and effort, which families with both working parents may struggle with. Please do not forget often those people have more exhausting and abusive jobs. I know from first hand, h…

> But having a healthy balanced diet is more expensive than buying junk

In which country? Not in Central Europe, and it was never the case. Healthy food here has always been cheaper than junk food. I come from a poor family and a visit to McDonalds was always a special occasion, yet my mom cooked every single day and they were all healthy and balanced.

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