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McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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You eat at McD's or most fast food places these days, you need the app to get reasonable prices, usually at a 15-20% discount. The app really does enhance the experience, order exactly what you want without human error, roll up to the drive-thru, give them the code, and they begin making the order at that point. They've been pushing $5 value meals recently because the dollar menu's just not fiscally feasible anymore…

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Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Does this happen with Jasmine rice? If no: check for MTHFR gene mutation. American rice is often washed in folic acid - don’t ask me why - and that’s toxic to MTHFR mutated individuals.

The folic acid helps prevent certain complications early on in pregnancy.

As long as you, or your child, aren't one of the 60%+ of people who can't properly break it down.

In that case, all of the "enriched" bread, folic acid, certain forms of vitamin B, will be difficult to process (often causing problems).

https://www.mygenefood.com/blog/mthfr-and-folic-acid-build-u...

Folate, folinic acid: those are safe to take, and pass through, for the entire population.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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If you're ever in GA/TN/NC, check out Cook Out and Pal's fast food establishments. They cost just a little more than national chains , for a much more satisfying meal (still fast food tho). Things I miss most about Austin (2nd-gen that left, a decade ago): H-E-B Grocery and P'Terry Hamburgers .

Pal's is a regional GOAT. They also have a unique "Sauceburger" with a ketchup-and-relish based sauce that takes me back to my childhood. Highly recommend.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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I can only speak for the UK but for quite a while now, McD's has become an uninviting experience, with miserable staff, menu screens that visibly tell you to hurry the f*k up and choose the product. Not to mention customers vying with delivery drivers for orders. I think the problem applies to all-income customers.

At least from my perspective, COVID broke everything. People are more awful, quality is more awful, and prices are way up. I dread even eating out anymore as I fully expect to overpay for bad food and service. There's an argument to be made that inflation is ultimately the driver of all three complaints, but boy did that all happen seemingly overnight.

COVID isn't the only thing that broke everything, but it was quite the accelerant

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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I can only speak for the UK but for quite a while now, McD's has become an uninviting experience, with miserable staff, menu screens that visibly tell you to hurry the f*k up and choose the product. Not to mention customers vying with delivery drivers for orders. I think the problem applies to all-income customers.

Seeing pictures of Cardiff McD's afterhours with disheveled, boorish patrons and rubbish strewn about, no-one would want to patronize them: https://hollyhughesgraphics.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/maciej-...

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I feel like this whole article is seeking to 'maximize engagement', which I'm using as a lofty euphemism for trolling its readers. ------ Mariam Gergis, a registered nurse at UCLA who also works a second job as a home caregiver, said she’s better off than many others, and still she struggles. “I can barely afford McDonald’s,” she said. “But it’s a cheaper option.” On Monday morning she sat in a booth at a McDonald’s…

> The three beverages they ordered, two coffees and a soda, amounted to nearly $20 I don't live in CA, but this just seems insane? Even in "captive" locations like airports etc. where prices for stuff are higher than a typical brick-and-mortar location, I don't even understand how two coffees and a soda could approach $20. If they'd DoorDashed it, sure. But those numbers don't make sense.

It does seem a little bit high... but "two (large) coffees" comes in at $5.20 each and a large soda is $3.20 https://www.mac-menus.com/#McCafé-Coffees - that's not California prices though. Without additional costs (and how much more is it in CA) we're at $13.60 there. Add another $1 to each item for a guess of pricing and sales tax and round and you're at $20.

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These articles deliberately skew reality to fit an anti-worker narrative. All the focus is on costs of labor and materials, with not one single sentence devoted to McDonald’s own financials - like the growth of their margins, the share buybacks performed, the executive compensation, or the franchising model itself. When I was rallying for a higher minimum wage and was challenged on it driving up costs, I made it abun…

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Or you could not jump to completely inaccurate conclusions about someone’s viewpoints, movement participation, and policy positions based solely on one comment on a single post. You could ask questions for clarity, or challenge specific assertions, instead of leaping directly to bad faith arguments (“why don’t YOU take a pay cut?” maybe because I’m not a CEO with a compensation package in the millions of dollars a year?) to support a pre-supposed conclusion you refuse to waver from.

C’mon, ya’ll, I expected better from HN commenters. This is arguably the worst thread I’ve been in with regards to the quality of discourse.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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A good microwave oven is extremely cheap, about the same as the food for a few weeks. I eat only food cooked by myself from raw ingredients, in a microwave oven. Previously I was cooking with traditional methods, but some years ago I have eventually discovered that I was misusing a microwave oven only for reheating, when it can be much better be used for cooking. In most of the cases, I cook everything that I eat imm…

Microwaving fresh bread... WHAT?? You gotta drop a recipe or something, that is fascinating

You can use a traditional recipe, e.g. wheat flour + 75% water by mass + salt + either yeast or baking powder (e.g. for 500 grams of flour either 7 grams of instant dry yeast or 10 grams of baking powder), then you knead the dough for a few minutes (until the dough becomes homogeneous, elastic and sticky; after you do it a few times it becomes very easy to recognize the moment when you have kneaded enough) and when using yeast you leave it for an hour to grow.

Then you bake for a time depending on the oven and on the amount of bread. I normally make breads from 500 grams of flour, which need about 13 minutes @ 1000 W. The advantage of a microwave oven, besides the short time, is that after you have determined the right time through experiments it will be always correct.

For baking you must use a glass vessel with lid, to prevent the bread from being too dry. The vessel must be much bigger than the dough, at least twice bigger, because the bread will grow tremendously and it will be very fluffy.

The alternative to traditional bread is to make unleavened bread, which can be made even faster and I actually like its taste more.

Even with a traditional recipe, unleavened bread will grow a lot at microwaves, due to the expansion of embedded air and water. It can be made to grow more, almost like traditional leavened bread baked in a traditional oven, by increasing the amount of water in the dough. Instead of using 75% water as in traditional bread, you can increase the amount of water to around 120% by weight. With so much water, there is the additional advantage that the dough becomes very thin, so there is no need to knead it, you just have to mix it very thoroughly for a few minutes with a spoon or with an electric mixer.

Such an unleavened dough with excess water can then be baked in a glass vessel without lid, also for 10 to 15 minutes. With unleavened bread, you can have delicious bread in less than 20 minutes from start to finish.

For improved taste, you can add to the dough various spices or seeds, either whole or ground. You can also add a sweet filling when you desire it.

Microwave-baked bread normally does not have the burned crust, but if you desire it many ovens have an infrared lamp that can be used for this purpose.

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Not knowing how to cook isn't the main problem. Really poor people don't have time to cook and don't have any disposable income to buy a luxury like a pressure cooker, so this is fantasy. Really poor people are on SNAP (which doesn't cover a lot of fast food) and food banks (which provide random/useless stuff like unhealthy ultra processed food, dented canned food like canned corn and tomatoes, and random produce tha…

I think this really mischaracterizes the modern poor, especially in developed countries. It's not uncommon to see poor families with things like recent model phones worth hundreds of dollars, designer clothing/shoes, and the like. In many ways these are the sort of traps that keep people in poverty. Or referencing this article itself, apparently they decided to go eat at McDonalds and managed to spend $20 on two coff…

Also, if people cam scroll on their phones and tables hours-on-end, then they can cook for an hour but scroll a little less.

Re: McDonald's is losing its low-income customers

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Meat is more expensive though and GP was talking about a low cost healthy diet.

I don't think animal products are all that expensive tbh. Chicken, milk, yogurt, eggs are all really cheap if you consider the protien content. Completely unbeatable value especially factoring in time and convenience and heartiness is picking up a rotisserie chicken and a bag of frozen veggies. Liver is also very affordable and extremely nutritious.

Of the four animal products you list there, only one is meat, and its a cheap meat...

Meat is not all that expensive for protein and comparatively quick and easy to cook, agreed, but the cheapest option is still veg.

Liver, and offal in general, is much underrated for both taste and health. A lot of people in the UK just do not eat it and its becoming hard to find (liver the common, but other things are not).

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