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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by saalweachter »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #474
_djo_ wrote: post #354

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Excellent point. Ukraine, like any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too. There is no right in international law that allows its neighbours to invade if it picks one they don’t like. Add to that that it’s a mutual defence pact and the argument becomes more absurd.

> any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too unless you're Cuba, or Vietnam, or Nicaragua, or Chile, and the list goes on but yes, in theory you're right; in practice history shows that if they are small and powerless then they cannot, not without consequences

So you're saying another country would only find mutual defense pact threatening if they wanted to invade them?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by general1465 »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #487
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #439

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> stealing nukes you cannot immediately operate as a 0-year old nation Agreed. But nobody was invading Ukraine in 1994. The weapons were seen as a security liability. In reality, they were bargaining chips. > to me it doesn't seems like an incredibly bright idea in a world where the existing nuclear states doesn't want anyone else to get nukes too To be clear, Kyiv made the right decision given what they knew in 1994…

The US and Russia would have done a joint invasion under UN flag if Ukraine tried to steal the nukes dude, it's downright embarrassing to pretend that's the sort of thing you can do unpunished. And doing that for some design info is really not worth the risk: just recruit some soviet weapons designers, for sure there are Ukrainians in that project already.

Like they did in North Korea when they obtained nukes. Of wait...

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by embedding-shape »

Aloisius wrote: post #478
embedding-shape wrote: post #135

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I'm not sure what the purpose is to go out on the streets for half a day, then everyone goes back inside and continue like nothing ever happen? Go out, stay out until change is enacted. It's called striking, and if you had any sort of good unions, they'd be planning a general strike for a long time, and it should go on until you get change. You know, like how other "modern" countries do it when the politicians forget…

Employers can fire you in the US for general strikes. You're only protected if you're striking for grievances against the company, not for solidarity actions. Indeed, unions can be dissolved for it. Add in how large the US is, it's population size, distribution, how far most people live from Washington D.C. and a cultural knee-jerk response to anything remotely seen as bullying of digging their heels in or fight back…

> Employers can fire you in the US for general strikes. You're only protected if you're striking for grievances against the company, not for solidarity actions. Indeed, unions can be dissolved for it.

Yeah, but thankfully, solidarity kind of solves that, as people fired from their jobs because they're striking would be supported by the community. But, if the country doesn't have a history of having built such a community, often with big help from socialist and left-leaning groups, the options you have available today are kind of few.

But best day for it is today, even if yesterday wasn't very good.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by general1465 »

grafmax wrote: post #491
petcat wrote: post #24

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EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

From the Russia POV invading Ukraine was a response to NATO expanding there. An imminent invasion of Europe seems outside of Russia’s geopolitical goals. But Europe’s leaders on the other hand do seem invested in escalating this conflict, a lack of finances notwithstanding.

And NATO is expanding because Russia keeps attacking its neighbors. It is not like it expands on its own, countries are literally begging to be let in.

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Post by quotz »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #475
_djo_ wrote: post #403

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Nothing should or would happen. The issue with Cuba was the stationing of nuclear missiles in Cuba, not merely its membership of a pact with the USSR. The US didn’t invade Cuba, it assisted Cuban exiles to do so in the embarrassing Bay of Pigs disaster which took place before the naval blockade as part of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Naturally, Bay of Pigs should never have happened, and it’s one of the things that led…

> Nothing should or would happen. "nothing should" is correct; "nothing would" is fantasy > The issue with Cuba was the stationing of nuclear missiles in Cuba, not merely its membership of a pact with the USSR. Yes, putting nukes there brought things to a serious crisis, but the issue with Cuba > The US didn’t invade Cuba, it assisted Cuban exiles to do so Come on, let's be real here. Sure, _technically_ the US didn'…

And just like it tries to still do in Venezuela. They also did something similar in Nicaragua. Latin America has suffered tremendously from the US's Monroe Doctrine. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

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Post by quotz »

_djo_ wrote: post #403
quotz wrote: post #389

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What would happen if Canada joined a mutual defense pact with Russia? Or Mexico? Think about this scenario, would the US invade immediately?. Something similar actually happened with Cuba in the 60s, and the US invaded them, doing a total naval siege [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Nothing should or would happen. The issue with Cuba was the stationing of nuclear missiles in Cuba, not merely its membership of a pact with the USSR. The US didn’t invade Cuba, it assisted Cuban exiles to do so in the embarrassing Bay of Pigs disaster which took place before the naval blockade as part of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Naturally, Bay of Pigs should never have happened, and it’s one of the things that led…

Please read about the Monroe Doctrine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

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Post by general1465 »

aubanel wrote: post #189
petcat wrote: post #24

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EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

Ukraine is not and was never part of EU, FWIW

Russians would like to have Ukraine in their sphere of influence, but after bungled invasion in 2022 and subsequent grinding war, Ukrainians will go out of their way to be outside of this Russian world. I think we are talking about decades before normalization of relationship between Ukraine and Russia.

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Post by general1465 »

Stranger43 wrote: post #145
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #53

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> unless EU nations want to put boots on the ground. Is such a thing even possible in the EU? I understand that it's an economic and policy bloc. Does Brussels have the authority to raise an army from EU members?

No nor does it have logistical capability to deliver even half of the equipment currently being promised/discussed within a time-frame of less then 5-10year. It's all dependent on the national government voluntarily following the advice of Brussels, and in most cases they don't really have the resources the EU wants them to commit to "The Ukrainian nationalist Cause".

EU has enough logistical capacity, but Russian nationalists like to dismiss EU like some kind of temporary group while they are riding donkeys to battle.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by _djo_ »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #474
_djo_ wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent point. Ukraine, like any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too. There is no right in international law that allows its neighbours to invade if it picks one they don’t like. Add to that that it’s a mutual defence pact and the argument becomes more absurd.

> any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too unless you're Cuba, or Vietnam, or Nicaragua, or Chile, and the list goes on but yes, in theory you're right; in practice history shows that if they are small and powerless then they cannot, not without consequences

Cuba I have addressed.

The US was invited into South Vietnam to help defend them against an invasion from North Vietnam. We can debate the morality of the resulting war, which was questionable, but it was not a US invasion.

The US invasion of Nicaragua was in 1912, long before the modern post-WWII era of stronger international law.

Chile was not invaded by the US.

If these are the examples you have, you don’t have a strong argument.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by _djo_ »

quotz wrote: post #506
_djo_ wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing should or would happen. The issue with Cuba was the stationing of nuclear missiles in Cuba, not merely its membership of a pact with the USSR. The US didn’t invade Cuba, it assisted Cuban exiles to do so in the embarrassing Bay of Pigs disaster which took place before the naval blockade as part of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Naturally, Bay of Pigs should never have happened, and it’s one of the things that led…

Please read about the Monroe Doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

The Monroe Doctrine from 1823?
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