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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by embedding-shape »

m4rtink wrote: post #124
embedding-shape wrote: post #96

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> and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know That's great, too bad none of those people sit in positions of power or anywhere near your government, because from the outside for the last two decades or more, those ideals are not visible to us at all, neither when we look at the foreign policy nor internal. I'm sure the tides will eventually turn, but we're talking decades more likely than years,…

Yeah, that is something I don't get. You can hear all around the Internet "we did not vote of this!" yet you don see any visible reaction to all these bad decisions lately - no protests in the streets, no real attempts to block these things, people resigning rather then implementing bad decisions. I just don't get it - unless all those ideals were just a show from the start.

People in the US seems allergic to unions and any sort of solidarity movements, so now you have all these individuals believing them to be the strongest individual, not realizing you need friends and grass-root movements to actually have any sort of civil opposition.

There does seem to be some slight improvements of this situation as of late, video game companies and other obvious sectors getting more unions. But still, even on HN you see lots of FUD about unions, I'm guessing because of the shitty state of police unions and generally the history of unions in the US, but there really isn't any way out of the current situation without solidarity across the entire working class and middle class in the US, even if they're right, left, center or purple.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by throw-the-towel »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #130
throw-the-towel wrote: post #127

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Those were Soviet nukes, physically located in Ukraine but not controlled by it, same as any French/US nukes stationed in Germany would not make it a nuclear state. The ones in Ukraine got moved into Russia, in exchange for Ukraine receiving money and security guarantees.

Thanks. Did that happen immediately after the USSR breakup, i.e., when Yeltsin was in charge, or more recently under Putin?

Still under Yeltsin, 1994 I think. If you've heard about the Budapest Memorandum, that's exactly what it was about.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by bryanlarsen »

m4rtink wrote: post #124
embedding-shape wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know That's great, too bad none of those people sit in positions of power or anywhere near your government, because from the outside for the last two decades or more, those ideals are not visible to us at all, neither when we look at the foreign policy nor internal. I'm sure the tides will eventually turn, but we're talking decades more likely than years,…

Yeah, that is something I don't get. You can hear all around the Internet "we did not vote of this!" yet you don see any visible reaction to all these bad decisions lately - no protests in the streets, no real attempts to block these things, people resigning rather then implementing bad decisions. I just don't get it - unless all those ideals were just a show from the start.

> no protests in the streets

The No Kings protest was estimated at 7 million people.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by TimorousBestie »

embedding-shape wrote: post #123
IAmBroom wrote: post #121

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I was unaware that the US did anything similar to the Holocaust in Japan. As are the Japanese.

I don't think there are many Japanese alive today not aware of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. While it's true they didn't place Japanese in internment cam.. no wait, they did do that. While it's true they didn't straight up execute Japanese folks on the street, they did effectively erase two cities from the world map, how that isn't a "Crime against Humanity", I don't know why we even have the label. So yeah, the US didn't…

The firebombing of Tokyo and civilian residential districts in many other cities was what I had in mind, actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

100k dead, 1M homeless, mostly civilian.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by embedding-shape »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #133
m4rtink wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that is something I don't get. You can hear all around the Internet "we did not vote of this!" yet you don see any visible reaction to all these bad decisions lately - no protests in the streets, no real attempts to block these things, people resigning rather then implementing bad decisions. I just don't get it - unless all those ideals were just a show from the start.

> no protests in the streets The No Kings protest was estimated at 7 million people.

I'm not sure what the purpose is to go out on the streets for half a day, then everyone goes back inside and continue like nothing ever happen?

Go out, stay out until change is enacted. It's called striking, and if you had any sort of good unions, they'd be planning a general strike for a long time, and it should go on until you get change.

You know, like how other "modern" countries do it when the politicians forget who they actually work for.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by TimorousBestie »

IAmBroom wrote: post #121
TimorousBestie wrote: post #64

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American involvement in the Nuremberg trials set the stage for the modern era of international law. It began with the United States, along with the allied nations, constructing a post-facto legal definition of crime against humanity that somehow included the Holocaust but excluded both the American campaign in Japan and various Russian war crimes on the Western Front. It’s not cynicism to point out the clear hypocris…

I was unaware that the US did anything similar to the Holocaust in Japan. As are the Japanese.

At the same quantitative scale, no. But qualitatively, large-scale violence against civilian populations with the stated intent of extermination? Yes.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by [deleted] »

embedding-shape wrote: post #99
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #74

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EU got itself a Cuba too bad that Cuba is right on its own border :)

So literally just like Cuba? The distance between US and Cuba is like 150km, if you're in Donetsk you can't even leave Donetsk Oblast if you travel 150km, and the shortest distance you can take from Ukraine Russia to closest EU/NATO member would be something like 600km if you don't take shortcuts via Belarus. For all intents and purposes, Ukraine's border with Russia is way further away (like magnitude) from EU/NATO…

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by bryanlarsen »

embedding-shape wrote: post #135
bryanlarsen wrote: post #133

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> no protests in the streets The No Kings protest was estimated at 7 million people.

I'm not sure what the purpose is to go out on the streets for half a day, then everyone goes back inside and continue like nothing ever happen? Go out, stay out until change is enacted. It's called striking, and if you had any sort of good unions, they'd be planning a general strike for a long time, and it should go on until you get change. You know, like how other "modern" countries do it when the politicians forget…

General strikes weren't particularly common in the 60's in the US and those protests were considered widespread and effective.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by ArnoVW »

jdibs wrote: post #57
eru wrote: post #49

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> A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed. Politics (almost) never works like this. In a secret vote, you don't even know who voted yes or no or at all.

Given the demographics of Europe, what this means is that old people will vote for young people to be fed into a meat mincer just so they can keep collecting their pensions for a couple decades more. Let's call a spade a spade then. This guy is doing just that: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/11/20/outcry-a...

I think you are misreading the article. The general is warning that if we do not show preparedness and willingness now, in the long run it will cost more.

Si vis pacem para bellum

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by mindslight »

pixl97 wrote: post #48
317070 wrote: post #17

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And the EU apparently has the counter ready, which would make such companies liable for millions when they enact US sanctions in the EU. I'm very curious what would happen then? Nothing presumable, as nothing ever happens, or it might be another step to separate the EU market from the US.

Good. We've been in the age of super national global corporations living playing fast and loose. Maybe this will keep them from gobbling up even more power.

No, it won't. And lashing out with random shots in the dark tends to advance corporate control, as we've seen with the results from the trumpist tantrum. As long as ownership (/controlling interest) of companies continues to be basically unregulated cross-border (because the class of people having it also have the ears (if not the necks) of politicians), then things like sanctions are merely speed bumps on commerce that increase large-scale market friction and thereby increase the domestic power of corpos.
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