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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by IAmBroom »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #64
DangitBobby wrote: post #39

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I'm skeptical things would have lasted this long if the "US never really believed in its own ideal or took their own laws seriously". I think you're letting your cynicism for this moment run away with you.

American involvement in the Nuremberg trials set the stage for the modern era of international law. It began with the United States, along with the allied nations, constructing a post-facto legal definition of crime against humanity that somehow included the Holocaust but excluded both the American campaign in Japan and various Russian war crimes on the Western Front. It’s not cynicism to point out the clear hypocris…

I was unaware that the US did anything similar to the Holocaust in Japan.

As are the Japanese.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by insane_dreamer »

immibis wrote: post #117
sfifs wrote: post #113

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I'm very surprised the US doesn't seem to be taking the risk of Ukraine becoming a Nuclear Weapons state seriously. By now, they surely would have had time to develop get to the brink of weaponization as a backup plan - they've after all always had a nuclear industry. If they do so and offer cover to their neighbors who realize NATO may not be sufficient, we are in for interesting times.

Ukraine WAS a nuclear weapons state, until the US agreed to protect them from Russia with the US's nuclear weapons, if they gave up their own.

What actually happened to the nukes the Ukrainians had? Were they transferred to the US? Destroyed?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by embedding-shape »

IAmBroom wrote: post #121
TimorousBestie wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American involvement in the Nuremberg trials set the stage for the modern era of international law. It began with the United States, along with the allied nations, constructing a post-facto legal definition of crime against humanity that somehow included the Holocaust but excluded both the American campaign in Japan and various Russian war crimes on the Western Front. It’s not cynicism to point out the clear hypocris…

I was unaware that the US did anything similar to the Holocaust in Japan. As are the Japanese.

I don't think there are many Japanese alive today not aware of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. While it's true they didn't place Japanese in internment cam.. no wait, they did do that. While it's true they didn't straight up execute Japanese folks on the street, they did effectively erase two cities from the world map, how that isn't a "Crime against Humanity", I don't know why we even have the label.

So yeah, the US didn't spend years doing horrible stuff to humans like the Nazis did, the US wasn't exactly an angel in that conflict, by a long shot. But neither was pretty much any nation, I guess it kind comes with the whole "world war" thing.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by m4rtink »

embedding-shape wrote: post #96
a2tech wrote: post #46

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I’m an American and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know deeply believe in the American ideals that have been presented as gospel for decades—fair play, hard work, rule of law, loving our neighbors (regardless of legal status), and to a one, believe that as soon as you swear your oath at the immigration court, you’re an American, regardless of the circumstances of your birth. The situation we…

> and I can safely vouch that myself and most of the people I know That's great, too bad none of those people sit in positions of power or anywhere near your government, because from the outside for the last two decades or more, those ideals are not visible to us at all, neither when we look at the foreign policy nor internal. I'm sure the tides will eventually turn, but we're talking decades more likely than years,…

Yeah, that is something I don't get. You can hear all around the Internet "we did not vote of this!" yet you don see any visible reaction to all these bad decisions lately - no protests in the streets, no real attempts to block these things, people resigning rather then implementing bad decisions.

I just don't get it - unless all those ideals were just a show from the start.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by throw-the-towel »

ta20240528 wrote: post #119
chatmasta wrote: post #40

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The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN. The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy, is completely divorced from the reality of realpolitik and total war. If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries?

"The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN." Yet two of the most powerful thugs: Putin and Netanyahu won't go near an ICC signatory state.

Netanyahu frequently visits various European states. Putin went to Mongolia and back. All of these are signatories.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by ta20240528 »

kombine wrote: post #109
breppp wrote: post #14

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I think the more interesting thing here is the ability to fantasize categories such as genocide where war can be maximalized into genocide when you don't like the winner, and the genocidal act that has started said war (classic genocide mass killings of civilians by death squads) is appropriated by the perpetrators turned victims

This is demagoguery. There is ample evidencence that Israel committed genocide in Gaza. Historians who study genocide all their careers, including Israeli Jewish ones, concluded it a long time ago. There is 100 pages with references in the application by South Africa to the ICJ. If you intend to take the same route as the Holocaust denialists, the burden is on you to disprove all the evidence.

To be clear, South Africa didn't present any of their OWN evidence to the ICJ of Israeli genocide.

Rather, they carefully and methodically presented hundreds of reports made by OTHER UN agencies which reported on the genocidal behaviour.

This left the ICJ in a pickle: as a UN body itself, it had to either find for 'probably genocide' or publicly state that every other UN body was either in a grand conspiracy or was incompetent.

A very smart legal strategy.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by throw-the-towel »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #122
immibis wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine WAS a nuclear weapons state, until the US agreed to protect them from Russia with the US's nuclear weapons, if they gave up their own.

What actually happened to the nukes the Ukrainians had? Were they transferred to the US? Destroyed?

Those were Soviet nukes, physically located in Ukraine but not controlled by it, same as any French/US nukes stationed in Germany would not make it a nuclear state.

The ones in Ukraine got moved into Russia, in exchange for Ukraine receiving money and security guarantees.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by GJim »

petcat wrote: post #106
anal_reactor wrote: post #95

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>and China That's the biggest question of the century. Imagine that EU and China make a deal, and they backstab US and Russia respectively. EU and China are physically so far away from each other that there's no way they'd actually run into direct conflict, meanwhile by backstabbing, both of them could easily get what they want. What I'm trying to say is that if you flipped the alliances and aligned EU with China and…

> China becomes the world's #1 superpower, while EU remains undisputable #2 How does EU even remotely benefit from this bizarre fantasy scenario where it flips alliances toward China? The fundamentals don't change. EU has no tech and doesn't produce anything. China would only exploit the partnership even more than they already do.

> EU has no tech and doesn't produce anything.

What a poor attempt at trolling!

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by anal_reactor »

petcat wrote: post #106
anal_reactor wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and China That's the biggest question of the century. Imagine that EU and China make a deal, and they backstab US and Russia respectively. EU and China are physically so far away from each other that there's no way they'd actually run into direct conflict, meanwhile by backstabbing, both of them could easily get what they want. What I'm trying to say is that if you flipped the alliances and aligned EU with China and…

> China becomes the world's #1 superpower, while EU remains undisputable #2 How does EU even remotely benefit from this bizarre fantasy scenario where it flips alliances toward China? The fundamentals don't change. EU has no tech and doesn't produce anything. China would only exploit the partnership even more than they already do.

It benefits by not sending its people to war in case of conflict with Russia. China can pretty much disable Russian army by banning exports of military and dual-use goods. Meanwhile US security guarantees are becoming weaker by the day, especially in the context of potential war US vs China.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by insane_dreamer »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #127
insane_dreamer wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What actually happened to the nukes the Ukrainians had? Were they transferred to the US? Destroyed?

Those were Soviet nukes, physically located in Ukraine but not controlled by it, same as any French/US nukes stationed in Germany would not make it a nuclear state. The ones in Ukraine got moved into Russia, in exchange for Ukraine receiving money and security guarantees.

Thanks. Did that happen immediately after the USSR breakup, i.e., when Yeltsin was in charge, or more recently under Putin?
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