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Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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Let’s make an ironman assumption: maybe consciousness could arise entirely within a textual universe. No embodiment, no sensors, no physical grounding. Just patterns, symbols, and feedback loops inside a linguistic world. If that’s possible in principle, what would it look like? What would it require?

The missing variable in most debates is environmental coherence. Any conscious agent, textual or physical, has to inhabit a world whose structure is stable, self-consistent, and rich enough to support persistent internal dynamics. Even a purely symbolic mind would still need a coherent symbolic universe. And this is precisely where LLMs fall short, through no fault of their own. The universe they operate in isn’t a world—it’s a superposition of countless incompatible snippets of text. It has no unified physics, no consistent ontology, no object permanence, no stable causal texture. It’s a fragmented, discontinuous series of words and tokens held together by probability and dataset curation rather than coherent laws.

A conscious textual agent would need something like a unified narrative environment with real feedback: symbols that maintain identity over time, a stable substrate where “being someone” is definable, the ability to form and test a hypothesis, and experience the consequences. LLMs don’t have that. They exist in a shifting cloud of possibilities with no single consistent reality to anchor self-maintaining loops. They can generate pockets of local coherence, but they can’t accumulate global coherence across time.

So even if consciousness-in-text were possible in principle, the core requirement isn’t just architecture or emergent cleverness—it’s coherence of habitat. A conscious system, physical or textual, can only be as coherent as the world it lives in. And LLMs don’t live in a world today. They’re still prisoners in the cave, predicting symbols and shadows of worlds they never inhabit.

Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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Scott Alexander, the prominent blogger and philosopher, has many opinions that I am interested in. After encountering his participation in https://ai-2027.com/ I am not interested in hearing his opinions about AI.

>After encountering his participation in https://ai-2027.com/ I am not interested in hearing his opinions about AI. I'm not familiar with ai-2027 -- could you elaborate about why it would be distasteful to participate in this?

I'm not sure why it's so distasteful, but they basically fear monger that AI will usurp control over all governments and kill us all in the next two years

Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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post #21

Let’s make an ironman assumption: maybe consciousness could arise entirely within a textual universe. No embodiment, no sensors, no physical grounding. Just patterns, symbols, and feedback loops inside a linguistic world. If that’s possible in principle, what would it look like? What would it require? The missing variable in most debates is environmental coherence. Any conscious agent, textual or physical, has to inh…

Why is that any different from the utter mess of a world humans find themselves existing in?

Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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> By ‘consciousness’ we mean phenomenal consciousness. One way of gesturing at this concept is to say that an entity has phenomenally conscious experiences if (and only if) there is ‘something it is like’ for the entity to be the subject of these experiences.

Stopped reading after this lol. Its just the turing test?

Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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post #21

Let’s make an ironman assumption: maybe consciousness could arise entirely within a textual universe. No embodiment, no sensors, no physical grounding. Just patterns, symbols, and feedback loops inside a linguistic world. If that’s possible in principle, what would it look like? What would it require? The missing variable in most debates is environmental coherence. Any conscious agent, textual or physical, has to inh…

Why is that any different from the utter mess of a world humans find themselves existing in?

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Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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Scott Alexander, the prominent blogger and philosopher, has many opinions that I am interested in. After encountering his participation in https://ai-2027.com/ I am not interested in hearing his opinions about AI.

>After encountering his participation in https://ai-2027.com/ I am not interested in hearing his opinions about AI. I'm not familiar with ai-2027 -- could you elaborate about why it would be distasteful to participate in this?

It is an attempt to predict a possible future in the context of AI. Basically a doomer fairy tale.

It is just phenomenally dumb.

Way worse than the worst bad scifi about the subject. It is presented as a cautionary tale and purports to be somewhat rationally thought out. But it is just so bad. It tries to delve into foreign policy and international politics but does so in such a naive way that it is painful to read.

It is not distasteful to participate in it -- it is embarrassing and, from my perspective, disqualifying for a commentator on AI.

Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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I look forward to other papers on spreadsheet consciousness and terminal emulator consciousness.

I think it's very unlikely any current LLMs are conscious, but these snarky comments are tiresome. I would be surprised if you read a significant amount of the post.

I believe the biggest issue creating a testable definition for conscientiousness. Unless we can prove we are sentient (and we really can't - I could just be faking it), this is not a discussion we can have in scientific terms.

Re: The New AI Consciousness Paper

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post #21

Let’s make an ironman assumption: maybe consciousness could arise entirely within a textual universe. No embodiment, no sensors, no physical grounding. Just patterns, symbols, and feedback loops inside a linguistic world. If that’s possible in principle, what would it look like? What would it require? The missing variable in most debates is environmental coherence. Any conscious agent, textual or physical, has to inh…

Why is that any different from the utter mess of a world humans find themselves existing in?

We can form and test hypotheses and experience the consequences. And then take that knowledge to our next trial. Even dogs and cats do this on a daily basis. Without that, how would we even evaluate whether something is conscious?
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